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So fort wayne indiana it's kind of a north east indiana um from st louis, though going to school out there. What were you going to school for a seminary? So it was my uh. This is my first call, oh okay, so i really have a question now but yeah. Let me yeah, but all right. What would you like to do? Um? Well, it's gotten pretty long here i normally. I think i think it was a two or lower. I can't really remember yeah, so i'm just shorting everything down and then having a hard part here, um and then you can do what you do. I don't yeah, it's not my i'm gon na make it look at these. It sounds good, that's already way. So what would it take for me to become a priest? Well, what i did was um. You know it's a my degree was a four year in the lutheran church and um. So the first well there's a five year. You have one year of greek and hebrew that you learn and after that there's two years of a pretty intense study, but this i mean there's people of every single type of work that come into the seminary there i mean we had second career guys from engineers To um gym teachers to you know, well i mean they felt in their sec after you know, and i was too i was doing music before going there um, but just had people encourage me like hey, you ever thought about being a pastor, and i went and Thought even after you know going to school and learning a lot about in college about theology. I thought you know this is going to be not too difficult and it was intense. It breaks everybody a little bit there and yeah. I mean there's no restrictions other than you know. They give you a kind of a test when you come in to say how much do you know and then, if they think you needed some extra classes, they'd give it to you and then there's a lot of people who dropped out. There'S a lot of people who didn't like the workload but um yeah people from all over that were there. So what is the workload? Well, i mean i mean the workload is just really studying, reading a thousand pages, almost a night and then papers every other day that you're writing and extremely stressful, especially when i was doing a part-time job trying to get through it as well um. So most of my nights were 11 12 o'clock at night studying or writing some paper in the library and then going home waking up at six and doing it all again. Yeah, i mean so we're reading like heavy stuff um, a lot of it's hebrew and greek and yeah a lot of translation work um. At the same time, it's which is harder, yeah, you're, just getting the substance. You have to translate yeah well in the classes too. After you take your greek and hebrew, a lot of the classes that you're taking are um. They expect that we're going to go through the scriptures. You know in this class, studying it and you're going to have to read the already the textbooks that are required and then you're when we get to class. It'S you don't see any english on the board, it's just all greek or hebrew. So that's it's and that's different. You know the writing and the language yeah on the original texts and things like that that we have and um that way. I mean everything gets kind of lost in translation, where a lot of things do well so yeah. Well, it's important to know those things like. If i see that example, this last text, i was working on even for sunday talks about repent or repent and do something, but in the greek it actually talks about repent continuously. But we don't have that really. In the english, unless you add the word, and so then you can you just some little things are lost, sometimes bigger yeah. Well, that's just like you know. You talk to somebody in spam well from english to spanish and you might not have a word that technically translates perfectly, and so you do the best you can, and i look at english when you translate hebrew into english. A lot of it turned out to be contemporary slang depending upon the translator. Oh yeah, because it's like you didn't, translate correctly yeah and that so you don't just repent once and it's over. It'S like you got ta get it. It was a continual thing. Yeah. I think one of the biggest things that i was taught in seminary is really just how to study coming in from a college that i mean people could get a degree without actually learning anything to being in a place where you're under fire the whole time to Make sure that you know what you're talking about it's very different jump. I mean probably similar in some sense to to what you do. You have to know what you're doing. Otherwise, it shows there are some professions that you can fake your way and pretend, like you know what you're doing you really are terrible at your job sales manager. Oh yeah never sold anything i mean like you could go to an online seminary, get a degree and not really know anything. Just like you know i could go to great clips and get a haircut, but it wouldn't look good. I love you, so that's just that'd. Be right, we need someone, who's actually been taught like you know the online thing you had your mother taking the test. Oh yeah, you have no idea what's happening, and so what is it a bunch of priests like or soon to be, priests that are over? In that school like and you have to live there and everything yeah well, i mean i'm a lutheran, so you know we can have wives and families and all that um, and so you know i have three kids one on the way um but yeah there's a Huge community of people living there and um we're living off campus if you're married and stuff like that. But it's a pretty tight community i mean because all you know is studying and the people who are next to you so we're pretty pretty close to them. But yeah it's at least in the seminary we were at. It was um they had about 100 acres of land and so you'd go onto the campus and you'd feel like there's no city around you, which was the point for kind of a keeping you in studying and oh yeah they're, not gon na have your unm yeah. So in the door, but they still know how to party and things like that, so you've been over there. Oh yeah we're good that boo. He used me. It was like. Well, we had uh. Well, every friday we had a, we have a tap room at the seminary. Well, that's kind of nice. I mean like everybody's, doing it yeah and you're not doing anything wrong, you're, not only thinking about it. You know everyone drink back in the day or whatever. Oh yeah, you know it wasn't like it's not like you're over there. Snorting coke and you know oh yeah, with hookers and all that other. It'S like that's not happening. Oh yeah, so i mean it's. It was almost necessary, after you're, studying every single day constantly and then have one day where everyone gets well together and has a beer and you're amongst each other and you're, not driving anywhere. So it's not even a big deal. It isn't like you're. Anything is happening. It'S oh yeah, but it is funny. You'D have people who had come to visit the campus and they'd expect kind of this monastery, kind of fields. Everything and it's not. You have people. You know. I have um friends there. That would you know i i mean i worked on grounds, crews and all sorts of jobs throughout my life and um i'd have some of the seminarian students who could swear. You know better than anybody ever we have these old, ladies, that come to check out the camps like. Why is this place? It'S like he's a sailor. It'S like all of a sudden, it's like, but then yeah, even with this guy you'd have people like. Oh, you swear so much he's like. Oh, you should have met me before i became a christian. Oh my gosh good fun, though yeah you have people from all over and coming together and they're, not all of a sudden more holy now that they're at seminary. So, that's not how it works. That'S kind of nice actually yeah, it isn't. Whatever the stereotype. Everyone says it is, i'm sure there are some places like that, but uh at least where i went, but it's not and that's more catholicism or yeah, and i doubt they're, you know it's all, that's why i come here. Look every single time. You'Ve done this. It'S been awesome, so thank you. Do you see this so wait? So they have you in a church now out here yeah, so i'm at uh kind of um. What is that juan tavo and tramway between that on indian school? Oh cool? I have a little church up there and we're actually um our my church that i was called to is joining with another church. Now that was struggling nice, which has been happening during this christmas time, which has been so uh stress-free, perfect timing for everything, so there's gon na be a lot more work coming up, but uh, it's been wonderful, being here, love the community and the city. So what was it like? Where you're from well i mean, i grew up - grew up in st louis um suburbs, closer to the city, though um, so a lot of similarities between albuquerque and st louis, except there's, trees and grass there so yeah. I missed. I missed that because i'm originally from california, okay yeah, i missed the grass and the trees and there's someone like, oh you have to mow along. Like i don't care, i don't mind having a lawn leggings, oh yeah, you can't how do you little tiny house that we're renting to have actually an acre, because we were by this farmland area yeah? I mowed an acre every week loved it. Oh yeah i'd much! 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