The Best Extension Technique For Very Thin Hair - 2 Guys Chat

Here we go what's up profitable stylists. Here we go this week. We are talking about what is the best hair extension technique for very thin hair. This is a topic that has been searched a lot over and over and over so we're going to go through it. Today, we're going to give you some answers, i'm going to come out right out the gate and say keratin individual strand by strand keratin bonds, bernard what you got well, you know i'm going to say the same thing, but i want to give a reason i want To let you know guys know we're going to go through a little bit of a video of why i think it how i think it and the one that's driving the most crazy is across the country for a couple of years. Now the popular belief is that tape ins are the best for thin hair. Just not the not the case. We do tons of extensions in my salon. I'Ve been doing them over 30 years. I did wefts before when they were popular the first time i know they're popular again now and then we went into uh. I mean sewing glue and synthetic human hair, low quality, high quality, all these different techniques, the individual strands, the eye tips, the beaded, the more uh common beaded today that i do love, but when it comes down to being able to customize a little bitty like i Took a full, let me just give you an example here: a full pink bond. You know a lot of us are doing this for uh breast cancer awareness in october, and so what i did on this mannequin here is. I cut some pieces into thirds of a bond one third of a bond can't customize this small with any with any other technique, and on this head i put a full green bond on this side of the head. I don't know how well it shows on camera, and then i did a third of one on the other side, just a little while ago, to kind of support: st baldrick's childhood cancer. You know which is going to be real popular here in a month or two and hopefully it'll be as big as breast cancer awareness and to me taking a bond and turning it into a half a bond, a third of a bond, a fourth of a bond. Little bitty bond in each one of those categories. You can pick the amount of hair on the client's head to support the amount of hair that you're putting in and bond it really well and it stays in longer than any other extension provided you do it right. You'Ve got the right, uh cleanliness of hair and you seal. It correctly takes a little bit of training and practice, but with all the other techniques, you don't have that customization with the tape in technique, you're forced to put too little hair because of that that adhesive on there, when you put strands of hair across you, have To leave some tape showing between the hairs so it'll stick to the other tape. When you do a tape in, if you put too much hair or enough hair to actually support the weight of the hair, then they won't stick together. They won't stay in so stylists are forced to put too little hair between them. Then they get breakage and breaking off and i think the reason in my opinion, because i've tried to analyze this. I thought. Okay, so styles aren't just saying it because they don't want to just lie about it and say: oh it's, the best first they're live too marketing, says tape. Ins are the best, because the company's selling them want people to buy them and and listen. We sell a tape in also so here's a company selling a tape in and an individual strand k, tip keratin tip whatever you want to call it and we sell the beaded kind and there's still nothing to compare to a k-tip, keratin tip extension on fine thin Hair go ahead. I see you want to talk so find thin hair. What is the issue? Why why? Why is there so much search for there and why is there so much back and forth about it? Like bernard has been saying, like you've, been saying it's the distribution of weight across the section of hair and how that contact is made to that hair. A hair extension doesn't weigh all that much to begin with. When you start getting a piece of tape. It'S a small weft, now you've got a larger chunk. That'S going to pull a little heavier because of gravity when you put in a weft, that's a larger, larger chunk. That'S also going to pull with gravity in the beginning, because it's so close to the scalp. When we first apply it, it's fine because it's close to the scalp, the that's doing the heavy lifting the problem doesn't present until three four five, six weeks later, when now that hair is in free fall because it's grown out a half an inch three quarters of An inch off the head right, that's when gravity starts pulling and that's when the stress to that thin fine hair starts happening. I was in a class. Yesterday i was in the cell line. Eddie wait eddie, i'm gon na we're gon na cover that also, i want to add to what you just said: you're right as far as uh, it's growing out and another thing that, while it's growing out and fine thin hair goes through the shedding process faster. So somebody thicker coarser hair has more hairs per square inch, so they can support more. You also said that they're very light and barely weigh anything uh. That is true of keratin tips and some beaded techniques, but tape ends are big fat wide, usually kind of thick and do weigh more so that right there is negative. Think not you but negative thinking as far as good for fine thin hair. No because it's heavier to start with and you've got to use, you're taking a wider section, so there's more hair to support it, but it's theoretically, maybe yeah, but technically, no, it's actually worse and then the other thing is that we we just kind of touched on The shedding process, but the average person i mean, there's all kind of studies on this. But, however many, let's just say, a person sheds a hundred hairs a day because that's what most of the books say. Well, a fine, thin haired person, somebody with very fine thinning hair, is going through this process quicker, they're losing more hair. So you have to think if we connect an extension to about 30 40 hairs in a little circle on the head. Those 30 hairs on the average person is turning into 25 hairs in two or three months, but on a fine, thin haired person they're. Turning into even less hairs and we're going to show you a couple of videos of me putting one in and some details and then after a few months what it looks like and what that shed hair looks like. But if a person shedding hair, then you have to think that in a few weeks or months, there's going to be less hair in that section, supporting the same weight actually supporting the weight of those few hairs that have shed also because they're bonded in. But they were connected to the head and boom they fall out one by one: that's a little bit more weight, so a couple of things need to happen with fine thin hair. You need to take the extensions out and put them back in more often just to protect the client's hair. You have to put them in at a good angle. Of course, i love she hair for a keratin bond because the quality of hair, if i'm going to put ktips in it's going to last a long time, i want a high quality hair. That'S going to stay good for a very long time, not deal with the client. I mean the clients, the problems of shedding and and thinning and the color fading, whereas so many k tips i've had that problem with in the past. You want to play that video. I want to show a little detail yeah, because here's one thing i want to i want to set up for this video too, there's two very key things to this, and i'm very opinionated when it comes to this. There is so many different techniques of applying extensions. Well, in the clip we're about to show bernard you're doing it, you're wrapping the extension around the hair, shaft you're, not fusing it into the hair shaft, so that contact made, especially for thin fine hair. It'S it's more gentle! It'S it's! It'S just not as aggressive that contact is not as aggressive. It'S still going to hold just fine. The second thing i want to point out is this: video is from 2015 and it's still vulnerable. Today i was a lot younger. You were a lot younger. I looked a lot better, i'm looking at that. This is like a time machine though up here should do it well, something i'm gon na mention, while you're cueing that video up i'm whenever you're ready well go ahead, you can you can play it. Don'T you don't have to play the sound, just uh play the video, so we can see it and i i can talk real time with it. The uh i'm taking a section that is as thick and as wide and as much hair as the piece i'm putting in this girl here has medium to thick hair. So she can support uh the the weight of this bond because i'm matching it up. If i was putting this on somebody with thinner hair, i would actually put a few more hairs in anticipation of the hair thinning. Some people would say: look how far he's putting it from the scalp, but the reason for that is is strategic. Also, i want to be able to get it in natural fall straight down the more i lift it, the more closer i want to go to the head. That tool needs the hair to lift up, so it can get near the scalp. Then you got this waterfall thing going on, so when i put that in i've got the tool at a i mean it is the lowest heat setting in the market. That'S one other thing i like about she hairs tools and machines that little clamper that we use. It'S flat on the inside, so it'll spread it nice and wide and something i didn't say about this head: one side's, a round bond one's a flat and i'll explain the difference they both hold well, but on this head i did. I just did a flat bond. Now i do say that the keratin needs to be melted and pushed through all the fibers of the hair, and so i'm doing both. I know you mentioned it's wrapped around and it's not as aggressive possibly - and i don't really know if uh i don't know if i agree with that - being okay, because many times that'll slip or slide out if it's just around the outside. So i'm applying a bit of mechanical pressure with the w. With these you know, oh so here. Let me cue this back up again. Let me re-explain what what am i talking about? Go ahead, go ahead, uh! Let me get back to so i'm pushing so that that keratin as it melts underneath or softens, gets pushed through the fiber of the hair and spreads wide. So i can fold it because i am doing a flat bond here and then i heat it up. I'M talking about you're, laying it underneath the section of hair. So that's awesome right now, you're going to take your heat you're going to soften up that bond and when you soften up that bond it becomes nice and pliable. So now this is what's happening. This is this is what i'm talking about you're just taking the one end folding it into the center, taking the opposite end and folding that into the center you're warming it up a second time and then you're wrapping the excess around. So it's nice, and even with the section of hair that you just applied it to that's what i'm talking about when you're, making contact when you're, making gentle contact to the to the section of hair that you're applying it to some people, will will push that in And then they'll start rolling it in they'll start pinching it in they'll start crushing it in yeah, yeah yeah and i'm - and this is why i say i am opinionated about it. I don't personally agree with that. I'M not saying it's wrong, i'm not saying it's! It'S a terrible thing to do it in my experience, for what i've been able to do when i go to remove it, i find that the hair is fused into the bond and when you're going to remove that bond when you're breaking it down, you are breaking Down some of the cuticle, that's my experience, my opinion on it. There is obviously a lot of hairdressers out there that have been that still do it and are successful with doing it yeah. So so i i like what you said. It reminded me of something uh. There'S round bones and flat bonds, they both start with the width of a section right and so the width of that section with a flat bond, the hair stays wide. The bond the hair stays wide like that the bond is put on there flat. It spreads and is folded, but that section stays wide through the bond through the hair through the ends and it's flat and blends in with the hair a little more consistently from the scalp to the end. With a round bond now i'll still do some round bonds, but it's usually when i'm doing a half a fourth, a third, a really tiny little bond. Yeah fingers a little too a little too difficult without a microscope to hold a bond and get it flat. And i don't know if it matters when you're putting a teeny tiny one in so it's easier just to get in there and roll it really quickly and it'll blend in better and i'll show you the difference here. I have one of each on this head and they're smaller. The round bonds tend to blend better when they're bigger the flat bonds tend to blend better but you're right with a flat bond when you're doing bigger. That section starts wide still and then uh with a round bond. It gets pulled into the center like a ponytail and just like a client says at the end of the day, taking their ponytail out of their head. Oh that feels good. Well, there was stress on the hair that shouldn't have possibly been there. Can you imagine having that stress in a 150 little sections, all over the head for three or four months? That is stress that the hair doesn't need to feel, and that is okay on some people. Medium to thick hair can handle it, but fine thinning, haired clients. They feel a lot more. They get damaged a lot more from that, so a flat wide bond with a little more hair in it and i don't say, go wider for more hair, i say: go a little deeper, which is going to force you to be a little further away from the Head all the things most stylists think are big no-nos, oh god don't go so far away from the head. It'S going to look like it's grown out. I don't care if it looks like it's grown out a little if i'm saving the client's hair long term. Well, here's the thing to that grown out too, and i'll i'll support that and say additionally, with hair color and with foils with highlighting the idea was always to try to get as close to the scalp as possible to not have any outgrowth showing with extensions. You need that 360 degree rotation. You need that full range movement, because if you put a bond straight to the scalp, the it's going to grow straight out from the scalp and then it's going to water fall down. It'S going to create this weird c-shape pattern, as it's growing out the amount of tension, the gravitational pull and the amount of tension on that section, as it starts growing out like that instant breakage, if you're lucky and if you're not lucky that hair is gon na. It'S gon na turn in a weird way: it's gon na grab the other hairs next to it and you're going to end up with a tangled hot mess, you're going to end up with matting dreadlocking, and it's just going to be a mess. You want. My other video i want to go over that uh. I want to show nobody ever does in the extension world unless they've taken a class from me or somebody. That'S worked with me, because people don't think about the cleanup and when i say cleanup, oh it's in the same video. No, it's in a different video i'll put it up on screen in a second here, so everybody can see it. So this same girl wore the extensions for two or three months. I don't remember exactly. We probably could look at the dates on there uh same year, but that don't matter oops i hit my. I can start playing and now so everybody can see. So some of the hairs have shed over a couple of months and i'm going to go in there and clean them up. You see those little wild hair sticking off to the side. Some people say: oh look, my hair is breaking. I i've got breakage. I'Ve got damage; no, some of those hairs have just. It is still a little bit of a waterfall they've just fallen out of the client's head because they're shedding going on, and i just cut those little wild hairs close to the keratin bond, because one bond doing that next to another one is doing it. Sometimes they want to tangle a little and cause some dreading or matting or just uncomfortable tangling. Some clients get away with it with no problem, but why not have them come in? We charge 70 dollars, spent about 20 30 minutes and cut off all the wild hairs off the side. It gives them another month or two of growth and because so a lot of people don't do this, because they do extensions that just don't last this long, keratin tips don't get me wrong. Keratin tips are not reusable tips are not reusable and that's the downside. People say i've got to buy all of that hair again. Yes, well, it's it's the cadillac, it's the it's the best of the hair industry as far as how long they stay in on very good, clean hair put in well. So yes, there's some sacrifice. A little more expensive stay in a lot longer cost a little more every single time, but this is the one that most of the celebrities would choose, because money doesn't matter and they just want it to look good long term. Be more comfortable, be less damaging, takes a little longer or a lot longer to remove also, but in this case, because they stay in so long dealing with some shedding and you can leave it in there tell them to comb comb brush every day, get their fingers In between the bones make sure they don't start to stick together after two or three months, but if they come in and let me cut those off, it's a lot easier for them. Do you do clean up services like this yeah and and the reason why i like to do these kind of cleanup services like that is here? Let me go back to where you're actually cutting and cleaning them up. You know the reason why is just like you're saying on very thin fine hair, a couple of frayed ends like that or a couple of loose shed hairs like that that are sticking out it's going to grab the other hairs next to it, and that's going to Curl up it's a mess it it that's a death sentence. Look at how clean look that looks like a brand new fresh bond. I might pause it right there, because i love that. That is a that's looking like you just put it in with no problem now. K-Tips are not reusable because that keratin is the same protein that the hair is made out of it's the same keratin protein that the hair is made out of. So after it's been worn for three four five six months, however long somebody's worn it for it just takes natural, it's it's got a natural, diminishing return to it and then, when we go to remove it, we have to break that contact. So when, when a bond comes out, it does not look clean like that anymore. It it's just beat up. It'S really really beat up so to try to put that back in again, it's it's um, it's gon na be messy. It'S just not gon na be a clean job. Now bernard you were saying you have here we go yeah, you, you were saying you have on the mannequin head, i'm showing you this. I don't know. If you can see the round bond, i mean it's hard to to get it into this camera. Put it on top of my finger and see if i can get it kind of close, so that would be a round bond done with a third, a third of a bond uh, getting ready for st baldrick's uh. You know, i think, what is it in march and we're going to start halfway in the month before and after getting people prepared for it, clients will normally pay ten dollars per strand and then uh a certain portion of it is donated and here's a a full On done with a done with a flat bond, it's as wide as a section, so it hangs out a little bit wider and it's you know it's a full bond compared to a third of a bond. They both give a beautiful, a beautiful uh. I mean pop of color and, and i've got just to prove to you that was a third of a bottom that one side, here's the other, here's the other two pieces that i've cut. So i've still got two more that i can use and put them anywhere on that head and have them so here's some uh, some full bonds that have not been used yet just kind of a a dark and a reddish color and they're bigger wider, fuller, thicker Sections and i haven't trimmed them - i haven't customized them yet because i just wanted to kind of show them and then one of the uh one of the secrets to getting before you go to that secret. Bernard okay: go ahead! Let'S do a quick fire round, so you could you just you just popped up those those full bonds up on screen yeah so grab those two bonds again. So real quick, we'll do a quick fire round rattle off the pros to k-tip extensions customizable stay in longer, um you can uh! You can pop just a cut a few on each side of each person of anybody's head from thick to thin, more comfortable 100 human remy hair. I don't know what else to say i'll, add lightweight the customization is amazing. It'S the individual pieces. Lets you place them. Where you need them without needing to borrow from other areas, you're never too wide, and when we can, we keep mentioning customizing, meaning you can cut that bond shorter. In addition to splitting it in half or splitting it into thirds, you could keep that full bond and just trim it down and make it smaller. That'S what we're referring to as customizing. So those are the pros. Okay, in all fairness, let's quickfire a couple of cons. Look what i'm gon na do. I'M gon na cut this bond boom. I just cut some of it off it's a little crooked, so i'll just cut that corner right there. I some people will go as far as cutting the corners off like this to make them, because when they spread them, those corners can be a little messy, and i don't do that anymore. I use i used to do that and some people will cut them down. Even smaller and have the teeniest that's what i think little bond and it still holds really well so now some people will use the bonds. Where are they nice and i got them on my i'm gon na fall between my keys and my keyboard, so some people use them whole and think like this, especially in other countries. I i notice a lot in brazil and in the european area. They just use the big thick hole bomb. They take the tool that i've dropped on the ground here and and heat that bond up. I mean it'll fit in there barely, but that's one of the tricks that we've learned here in the us is that if we trim this bond a little shorter, it fits in this tool just a little bit better. Then, when it spreads it's still in the full and through test of just doing them, cutting the bonds down shorter are lighter, more healthy, more invisible, more comfortable stay in just as long as the big thick buns. Why would you do them big and thick and ugly and more noticeable if they work just as well now, when i cut them as short as that last one i showed you like, you say you do. I did find those didn't stay in quite as long as a tiny bit more, so i've got my little sweet spot. That works really good for me and you know i had two customers coming in a row and say a bunch of a bunch of extensions fell out, and i said, what's a bunch i came in i counted and i was like cool yeah. It was like 30 out of 150. That was too many, and i think it's because i started cutting them a little too short, so i gave them two girls. I could tell you on the she hair extensions, there's a square there's that logo in the middle of the bond yeah. I cut them down all the way down to that bottom line closest to that oh yeah, and that gives me still a lot of hair attached to the bond yeah they're that little logo, and that gives me still enough hair attached to the bond. And it's still enough material for me to manipulate it to do what i need to do with it, so those are all the good stuff about them. Now, let's, let's throw a couple of you know for for fairness, what are some of the cons about catering you're? Breaking up, we got ta go, i'm just kidding. Cons takes longer, it does take longer to do the application process you're talking about. What'S that you're talking about takes longer the application process. Yeah, and i would say, that's all k tips. That'S that's not just she hair uh, the um, the flat tip machine, i do think, makes it a little easier and faster than most k-tip tools that have the rounded and the ball that pushes and the bond is heated up in a curve and then you're trying To push it back flat around it so overall takes longer to put in no matter whose k-tips you're using the um hair is not reusable. It'S generally more expensive, most people, don't most people don't sell k-tips that are much or that are a very low quality, because it takes a little effort to put the the keratin on the tip to make it a keratin tip or k-tip. So most k-tips are a better quality than most other types of extensions, but then, even in that higher end, you're gon na have she hair great lengths, maybe one other one or two other companies that are up there at the top. And i say: don't waste your time with the low end ones, but um takes longer not reusable, takes longer to put in and longer to take out and cost a little bit more that's. What i want to add to that is. There is also a what what i'll, what i'll call a a stop gate, there's a certain skill set and there's a mentality, there's a certain level of patience and and consistency that you have to have when you're applying them. Because if you don't look education, basically you can't just yeah. You can't just order them like you can take. That'S why i think tape ends took off so fast across the country. Yeah um. You know you even a non-stylist to me doing. Tape. Ins is kind of like, and i do like to do. Some cap highlights sometimes, but really good colorists usually say i don't use a cap for highlights. A client can do that that at home, that's how i feel about a tape in a tape in is like a no-brainer. It'S like it's almost it's! It'S almost silly to even do because it's freaking tape, i mean who's taping extensions on a person's head, even that we have from she-hair, has a um, an adhesive in there that we heat up with a little flat iron, and it has a little bit of keratin To melt in so you can use a little bit more hair can support it, a little bit better and it's better, but it's still not better than a k-tip. So i think, because you could just order and look at a few pictures in a video and do do tape. Ins is why they gained popularity. This we have videos in the description below how you can get trained, get taught and then, if, for some reason you can't quite get it because it's a little difficult to go there, you can schedule a call with me or eddie and we can walk you through. A zoom call a facebook, uh facetime live whatever it takes, and we can kind of walk you through. What'S going on, you could just send me a video of you putting one or two in do it all the time, and i can tell you oh you're, not squeezing hard enough you're at a bad angle. You don't have enough hair you. You know so many things that can help perfect the technique and worst case scenario you fly on down here to the new orleans area you go through. The technique spend a couple of hours hone in your skills, so i think you're right. That is probably one of the negatives of this too. It'S it's, it's a little harder to do, but worth learning because of the money and the high-end clients that you can get, and that's like like how you were just saying here in chicago. I do the same exact thing. I was in a salon yesterday going over extensions. We have them at our office and our studio. You know we do it all the time. I do it all the time over there too, and i'm uh do it sunday, monday, tuesday and wednesdays our extension days. This was the secret. I love the texturizings here so i mean i was watching a stylus from the salon yesterday and she was using a razor and i love razors, but i don't know why i fell in love with the texturizing shear. Probably because look how many teeth they're so little compared to you know compared to my hand, my fingers there's a lot of little bitty teeth and each tooth has a little uh a little bite mark in it. I don't know if you can see where it's a little, it's not flat across the top, whereas most less expensive, thinning shears are going to have just a flat top on each each one. And if it's flat, the hair gets pushed off to the side as it gets cut with this, it grabs a specific amount, there's a lot of teeth per square inch. These are these specifically are called 44 20 taper fines. But when, when i cut through some hair, i can literally just like almost cut anywhere pull out and look how few hairs came out. You can barely tell so to me it's it's a very slow change and usually, when i'm using these they're they're they're cutting about that fast. You know i'm usually really working in there and slowly whittling away what i want, but on the front of this, what i did was. I did a lot of uh where i just used a few, a few teeth like this and then same thing. The hair all over now same thing with the scissors, i'm just barely opening and closing the scissor to cut one or two hairs at a time, and so when i was when i was cutting this strand here, i was looking at it pretty closely and i was Cutting along the front edge of these strands because i wanted it to kind of frame the face a little, but off the back side, i cut a little bit too. So it kind of went down to a point and made it look just a little more natural, and i don't know if you can kind of really see how i cut off the front edge and the back edge to give it a wispy look. So i did it with the scissors. First literally cutting one hair at a time pulling that hair out and going in there and just hearing hearing hearing and feeling the crunch. The crack is like one little hair, and so when i'm in there and i'm doing this, it's like one a little hair on one move, a little one move a little, and so i'm literally kind of framing the face. And then i come on the other side and framed it from the other side and just kind of i just rammed into the camera again uh and just started to blend it to make it blend in and then to to really kind of randomize. That texture is when i put in thin and sheer - and i know a razor can do similar. I just love the thinning or texturizing sheer along with a pair of scissors. No, i don't have anything to add to that, because i love the thinning, shears texturizing shears. However, you want to refer to it as i i it's my favorite tool. It is my absolute favorite favorite tool. You just have more control over it. You know i'll i'll do an entire haircut with that thing and yeah. You know what it's just. I used to uh, i used to just use it for texturizing, thinning, uh blending, uh blending weight lines and haircuts, and i wish i could take credit for this. But i went to a guy to get a haircut one time before i opened my salon years ago and literally took a pair of thinning shears and did my whole haircut with it. He started going up the side and just started really taking out all the weight. Then through the top and he was doing thinning shear over comb, you know he had that comb in there and he's just doing a whole lot of this, and at the end i thought god is the best haircut. I'Ve ever had he he was able to go shorter. He was able to cut the length, leave texture on the ends and then go deeper and so depending on whether this is a whole other video, how to use thinning shears, but i mean he was able to go. I got i've got really thick hair, so he thinned my hair a little bit by going closer to the scalp. He gave me the texture i like by going to the mid-strand, which made it stand up a lot better. Look at that. That'S from a lot of texture, you just push your hand through it and it stays up a little product helping there too, but my my uh 20 something mid 20 year old, something sun cuts. My hair now and i pass on some of these tricks. I'M like. Let'S, let's get some texture in the mid strand on the front it's too low because i don't want them popping out on my forehead, but through the top uh lower, mid strand, a lot on the ends and really blend those sides and then one last secret. A little color a little color. Well, no that that's how i do my men's haircuts. I do it with texture sheer over comb, i was always taught, clippers are for fades and when i was taught how to fade, we would use the clippers. We would go from from triple zero double zero, zero. You know, and then we would still go in with the texturizing shear afterwards and clean up and and customize. Well, i think we digress we're done with extensions. We should end this video, oh true, yeah. That'S right! We'Re talking about extensions for thin hair yeah got me all excited man. Two guys chat. I think we can chat about whatever we want, but we should do that in a whole. Another video one, true yeah, that's true you got me too excited see. I know i we just love, i love doing hair, i get it, and so, let's end with that, we got everything here. I wanted to show you i'm going to unplug the wires and just kind of show you my favorite tool to use in my favorite color and uh. I mean you just can't beat controlling the temperature with this tool and then having a little protective shield. You don't have that magic. Oh i got that too, but i still like the fire x. I really do. I don't find a huge difference between the two but all right. That'S a whole video on itself. We'Re going to do a review video on firex versus flat magic yeah. We can do that because we'll definitely argue about that one. Yes, all right! Watch all thanks for watching. Let us know what you guys think and we'll catch you guys next time.