How To Prevent Hair Loss #Trichologist Precious Rutlin On Kwite Frankly Podast With Sheila Tooks

Foreign, so welcome to another episode of. Quite frankly with me. I am your host Sheila took so I'm your girl Sheila at the grown folks table. I have a guest host in with me today: Miss Precious Rutledge, so Rutland. I want it so precious tell people um. Just a little bit about yourself before we jump into what we're here to talk about. Well, absolutely so my name is precious Rutland, I'm a certified trichologist as well as the owner and creator of The Institute of holistic Beauty, and I teach hair stylist, Barbers Beauty, professionals, hair loss practitioners how to treat their clients hair loss holistically so that they can get Their hair to grow back and just hair restoration overall, a whole mighty mighty Mind Body, uh and spirit approach, um. What I noticed is that there's a a gap so to speak in the hair industry, where um we're so good at styling the hair and cutting the hair but um you know, hair loss is prevalent and it starts with the hair, stylist and barber with the client Being in the chair, and so no one's filling that Gap and teaching The Stylist and Barbers about looking for preventative measures. And what do you need to do when you see that first sight of the client's hair before it gets to that point where it's permanent hair loss? I actually can't wait to kind of dive into this because um this is a grown folks table and a grown folks. Conversation is hair loss for real like when did it start? When did it start how to prevent it? All of that, let's start with your title again, so tell the title again: what what is your title? I'M a consultant, trichologist, try colleges mean what so a psychologist is a specialist that specializes in the study of the hair and scalp meaning the hair. Anatomy is structures uh, skin scalp conditions, okay, so similar to a dermatologist except a trichologist is not licensed. We'Re not able to write medical prescriptions like your dermatologist. Would we don't do scalp biopsies, which the Dermatology would okay like a certified trichologist like we're more on the holistic side, so we're looking for non-surgical cool measures to help to restore that hair and give Hair Solutions before we revert to any type of medications or surgeries Hair transplants, like we exhaust all options and do the whole holistic Godly approach. I like it a lot too because um in I guess culturally and that's probably well not that's probably we we think it's just black women who wear wigs and things like that. But you know white people or everybody wear wigs. So when you think about um, what is underneath you know what's going on underneath has to be something interesting um, you know, especially especially after you wear it a long time, even even if you don't wear weave or wigs you and you get relaxers any products and Things has to kind of wear kind of way, heavy on your hair and your scalping. Nobody even really talks about it, so I can't wait for the conversation. Let'S talk about this, let's start here. What are some reasons that people have hair loss? Okay, that will be here um, but no just to be short, like some main reasons that I've been noticed since I've been in the hair industry for 26 years now. I'Ve noticed the main reasons it's going to be either because it's a systemic reason, meaning something's going on internally or it's going to be nutritional, meaning that there's a deficit in the vitamins, the minerals you're, not getting. What you need, and that could be due to health, related issues, right, medical conditions, so now you're on medications. The medications are depleting your vitamins and minerals. If you're not replacing, what's being taken out from from your body, then of course uh. You know that's a sign. How it starts doing dual down from there, then we have, of course, your hormonals um. Your hormones kick into play like that. Could do a number on your body as well as like your environment, depending on where you live side of town side of country. So if you're in an area where there's harsh water is Harsh on your skin, you know that can also affect uh on your hair. So those are just um a few yeah many things. Yes, that can cause it okay. So what about age? Do you see hair loss in all age groups, or does it start like? Do you is there? Is there like a um? Is there like a point where it starts to happen like when someone gets 30 or 35 or 40 like? Does it ever start um? No so um, I would say like years ago you would notice hair loss where it would be more so in the 40s and 50s, but now hair loss is starting as early as even your 20s, even before that, and that could be a number of reasons, and This is both men and women, so hair loss does not discriminate against uh any anyone, yeah um and it'll start of course, as little as uh. You know. Babies, and even you know, with some of the moms doing the tight hairstyles and putting the braids and extensions and little girls hair, you can start from there. It can start from, like you mentioned earlier, putting relaxers in little girls hair. You know too soon, like age and six like even before they even get to puberty. So now you're those chemicals are now interfering with their hormones, their developmental uh process like we don't think about that, like the chemicals that we put like even with our hair, this hair color, like our liver processes, they're, like all everything we put on our body, has To get priced out processed out through something so um when you think about or when I think about um, some of the things that you were just saying like I'm thinking about children who uh don't kind of have a choice in in their care. One thing I like too is that I like to see there are so many people who are embracing the natural hairstyles yeah, and I love that for the for the little girls. But for those who have chosen to to do relaxers and put you know to use relaxes on their kids hair at a certain like an earlier age and the kids don't have a uh, don't have a kind of say so then they are kind of they. Maybe just because, usually, if you used to, if you're, if your parents are your mom or whomever start to relax your hair, you begin to light the feel, love it. The look of it and you continue to do it um kind of as you as you continue through life and so um. Until one day you start to to notice that your hair starts to thin out somewhat. I do know that men, like um I've, heard my husband say a lot that men who wear hats? Yes, uh, that's how you end up getting the bald spot because they are caps. He said hats or Caps, or something like that. Do you are you familiar with anything about hats and caps and men here um? I could just say just speaking from a standpoint of I do know like if you any whether it's a cap, a scarf or anything anything that's constantly rubbing across the hair and it's friction you're sweating. You never take the cap off to let your scalp breathe. So, yes, you will experience uh some thinning going on and my um professional opinion. I think when the men experience hair loss, it's more so you do to either um genetics or they just have something going on hormonally, meaning that the testosterone has kicked in. They have excessive now is causing um. That enzyme, you know, is now uh, choking the hair follicle and causing it to miniaturize. So I think it's more due to that versus um wearing a cap. Now that has some play in it, but I I think that will be more hereditary and just than just the Daily Style yeah. What are your? What is your opinion about, and this is just kind of you may or may not have an opinion about it at all, but well I guess people I was going to ask. What'S your opinion, what is your opinion about when all you know like when people have gone ball or or hair loss and they shave all their hair off and like I've, even seen men where they wear the pieces? And - and I guess people are also looking for their beauty. So that's probably neither here nor there, because I mean when you, when you um, when you're thinking about trying to look your best or wanting to look. You know, look a certain way. You'Re gon na find a way to do that. Absolutely all right! So let's talk about what what state are you in? What state do you work out of yeah, I'm currently out of St Louis Missouri, but I go all over and I do work virtually okay and so you teach and when you say, do you have classes of classes or do you teach one stylist or one Barbie At a time no, actually I do have classes, and then I have my own uh board: certified accredited hair loss program, it's actually my hair regrowth system, and so I'm teaching um the hair, stylists and Barbers. Those that you know want to go to the extra level and level up in their career and be able to open a wider range and be able to actually work with hair loss. Clients um this or those are who I cater to and show them the ropes. So that they can have a sustainable business like so these are the people that are looking more than just styling here, like they're, actually into hair care. Do you see a lot of that? Do you see a lot of um stylists doing that nowadays, because what it? What it appears - and I mean that and I say appear because I'm loose this is very loose when I say it, because if you see I ain't been to a salon, my niece does my hair in her home or in my home. We just got like I'm easy, like that so, and I've had my hair locked now for about four years. Okay, so I ain't been to a salon in a while. So when I say this, I may be way out of the loop. So have you I've seen? I remember um like old school, older people doing most more so the Hair Care, the natural stuff and the hair. Well, I know people doing natural, a lot of natural hair now but uh as far as the the care of hair was mostly older people. But do you see any younger people getting into it nowadays or what was your um that that was really taking me by surprise and I'm so grateful that you brought that up. So actually, I've been talking to some of the stylists that are coming out of uh cosmetology school because all the clients, the hair loss, clients that I'm talking to you know they they're, saying that you know the stylist now are requiring me to come to them. With my hair already shampooed and conditioned yeah, and I'm like no that's what is because that's not what we was taught in cosmetology school, so I was like well. Let me start talking to the schools and uh, so they was like. No, we teach. You know hair practices and hair care. So when I began to talk to a hair student, she broke it down for me, I'm like because please tell me what's going on so let me see if I can guess. Let me tell me, let me tell you, is there's a habits have to seem like it would have to do something with maybe the timing, so if the faster they can get you in and out, they know they can make more money. That is what she told me and I was like, and I was like because to me, when you're in the hair care, I want to use my own products on your hair, because I know I'm training that hair. I know what your scalp is doing like I. I just know your hair, but if I, if you can't really trust the client per se, to get all those products and things I'll say here, that's true, you know and then you they get to you and then they wonder why they don't have the hair growth And what they're? Looking for? Because you still have this product buildup and, like you mentioned earlier, everyone's in into the natural, so they're big into wash and goes and that product is still on your hair and then, if they have scalp conditions, which I just mentioned. So now they have scalp irritation, scalp inflammation because they're leaving the products on their hair. Some clients aren't even shampooing their hair at all, like I'm talking about they're going months at a time, we've set a time. So I'm like why. Why would you do that? But yes, I am definitely seeing that now so then I began to question. I'M like what is going on and it's just all boils down to um the lifestyle, okay that they have, and you know the more that more time I can save more people. I can get into myself and the more money I make. I'M just gon na go save for the record. I don't like that yeah. I don't like it because you know um as we talk about you know, um old school and the way I grew up when we went to the salon now. First of all, I recall precious going to a salon two going to the salon. This girl had a really bad habit. She would not have it well, she she would do it on purpose. She would shampoo you and make so you could leave. I sat in a salon for eight hours before she did that you just making that. Oh, my god, listen to me. It was on purpose. This was like many years ago. I was in my 20s. When I swear missing. Turn me slap off. She would do it every time, but she was so good that yeah and I kept, and I will go again and again, but at some point I was like this is ridiculous, and so, when I think about just the personal you know the personal um feel you Get when someone is literally taking care of you, they hire us they used to. At least I don't know if this is the same case now, but people used to have a shampoo person, so yes yeah, so before you get there or even before the stylist get there, maybe she did their their shampoo person. I'Ve already started yeah three to four people, so you just kind of come in and start knocking people out to me. That'S a salon. If I were going to a salon, that's a salon I would want. I would want to go to. It is sad, though now you know I just want to say for the record. I don't like the necessarily because I, if somebody told me to wash my hair now if it were like mandatory, I would do it, but I'm not the great one, I'm not the best Watcher. So I would be one of the people like you're saying, like I have so much build up and and not doing it what my hair will be or just a hot mess. I would be that girl, when I just did not wash it well so um. I hope that um that people began to um that stand out, even if everyone else is doing one thing or another. Someone else can say I choose to do this and handle my business this way and and and and and begin to get granted um. You know financially for that, because when you, when you decide to do something different you're afraid that people won't like what you do. But if, if it began to catch on, then maybe we can get back to some real stuff and people get some real. Taking care of hair, that would be my thing, so I hope people get back to it. Let'S talk about um. What can people do so if someone see um if they're brushing their hair or combing their hair, and they just continue to see chunks of hair coming out, and it is it's more than that more than natural and then they feel like they have hair loss? What'S the first thing that they should do um first thing they should do. I would definitely say get to a hair loss specialist like a trichologist um, if you can't make it to a trichologist at least go to a dermatologist um, but you actually need all three to work with your hair stylist to try colleges and the dermatologist okay uh. So it's just getting to that point of knowing when you need to go now, granted some people um. They do notice things going on with their hair, but you know because of life and life issues they brush it off and figure like well um I'll get to it and they'll put their self on the back burner, absolutely they're attributed to stress and um. Yes, it could be due to stress, but anytime you start losing hair, especially if it's uh obsessively then it's more than just stress like you need to look into it because, like I said you're losing hair because it's either systemic or it's nutritional deficiency. So now we need to do figure out the proposal to see okay, which one is is it both? You know what do we need to change in this lifestyle in this environment to help you get your hair back, so when you teach stylists, do you teach them to when someone comes in first and say that they they notice hair loss, then do you teach them To question whether or not it's nutritional environmental, if it is uh generational or well now we get into that a little bit later, but I trained them to at least do a consultation and get a little bit of the history. Get a background get their story, because if you can start there and see what have they been doing before they came to you what was going on now since they started noticing here, then that helps the stylists and guides them him or her into okay. Well, this is the hair solution. This is the hair routine that I need to put them on right, uh, to try to help to manage the hair loss and then watch it over time, because if it's not getting better within two weeks 30 days and then steady progressing okay, now we need to Start referring them out, and so that's where I'm training them to start. Looking at what is going on with your client and realizing um know your limits know what's in your scope and know when you have to um refer them, and it's not saying that you're going to lose your client you're, actually showing you're a third Authority and your Expertise because now you have someone else on your team and they can help you out and sew together and collectively yeah you're, helping that person get their hair back. I think too, if someone told me that they thought that it was time for me to see a doctor. I would be thinking like yeah, like I like that, because she's paying so close attention to me that she notices that or he notices that, because there are men who do hair too yeah um um, so yeah. I think that's a good idea. I I hope that um for those people who are experienced hair loss to to Really seek somebody, do you have a like a a a um, a log or say, for instance, if someone say to you that I've noticed hair, I've noticed some hair loss. You don't treat people you you do you send them to like a stylist that you trained or do you do you actually treat people so at this point I haven't I'm starting to build that directory, where I can be able to refer them out uh to stylists. So when clients come to me, what I'm actually doing is putting them on a hair regime so giving them a hair solution and that can consist of different um therapy. So not just a hair product but, like I mentioned earlier, it's about mind body and spirit. So you're going to have to stop doing something I need to change. Your mindset, get you to change some things in your lifestyle. So, for instance, if you weren't eating right, that's playing a role into why your hair is coming out. So now I need you to start back, you know bringing in the vegetables drinking the water, so people don't even drink. While you ask them about water, I'm drinking. You know somebody here yeah, I do give them um regimens to do, and then we monitor that and then another big thing is that I notice is that sometimes um with the clients they put pressure on The Stylist, because they think when you give them a solution Or you have them do a resume and they want their hair to grow back right instantly and it doesn't work that way. Your hair start. You start losing hair over time. It'S been years 10, 15 years, and it's not going to come back instantly because now we have to train your body. We have to nourish that body, which then turn is going to nourish the hair follicle all right, one last question for you: how did you get into this industry like what made you passionate about hair loss um, so a couple of things happen all at the same Time um, the first things I would say is that I lost hair myself um on two occasions. So the first time I did it just ignorance on fire. I just got my cosmetology license, so I'm coloring relaxing doing everything all at the same time that you're not supposed to do the quick weaves the glue pulling out edges here for, but for me you couldn't tell when I lost hair, because I knew how to camouflage It really well - and I was like oh I better not do that again, because I was really big on testing the Styles doing everything on myself. First, before I do it on a client now the second thing that caught me off guard, which was when I had my second son and then I I lost a lot of hair, just a lot of shedding um. At that time I didn't know it was called uh postpartum alopecia, but when I was seeking help didn't nobody really know or understand what I was going through. So then I just began to research um on my own. So in the midst, while I was dealing with the hair loss, I was also having health issues. So I had, I was diagnosed with you know: high blood pressure, pre-diabetes um, I was obese. So then it was like I had to deal with all of that and once I started dealing with that Health piece, I noticed my hair start coming back. Okay and so then that's how I began to develop my own hair programming system and I was like okay. This is what it's going to take to get someone's hair to grow back and then I just went down that hole, Rabbit Hole. So when you say system, do you have products, or do you have like a program that someone would purchase a bike or what's your system? No, the system is my actual framework, okay, so of what I would teach Milwaukee step by step and get into the root cause of why your hair is coming out. So, yes, products is a part of it and I do work with different um. I wouldn't say vendors but different people in their product lines and I'm learning them and not you know trying them testing them out, so I can be able to recommend some products, but the real part comes over here to this health piece. Okay, that I'm talking about. That'S the holistic piece of it because until you can deal with yourself, I don't care how much products we put on our hair, your hair ain't, coming back! If your body don't have what it needs of your organs, don't have what it needs, and you know once you replenish the vitamins in your body they're going to the Natural organs that it needs to go to first right before it goes to your hair. Okay, nails that makes sense. How long is your program, so the program is actually three months: okay and so they, The Stylist, The Barbers. They get guided the senses with me, step by step, we're going through the system, I'm training them and then after they're completed the program they get ongoing, uh support. So it's not just out here. Okay, you got this certification um now you're out here. So it's kind of like we go together so like as I come up and learn things, I'm working with doctors, I'm learning! What'S new, coming out: okay, uh in the hair per se, hair science, I'm teaching that to them and saying hey! This is what's coming on the road start, thinking about this okay, and so so after someone take your course for three months, then um is there. So when you continue to learn you pass through them, do they continue to pay you per month to or sir at a certain time to to continue their education? Yes, so if they decide they want to come back or they want some additional one-on-one or they want additional support for me, they're having clients and they want to know you know hey, I need some advice on their hair. This is what's going on. I'Ve tried this. It'S not working so if they want additional assistance, I do offer that as well. Okay, so is it there anything that I didn't ask that you want to make sure that you mention um to maybe stylist or even someone who is um in a in who has noticed that they've started to lose hair, um, okay, so to The Stylist. I would just say you know uh, especially for the ones that they're looking for Hair Care, like they know that they're damn good stylists and they do good work, but because um of social media influence and the popularity they're not looking and they're not being seen per Se um, so I want to just say: you know: don't get deterred from not being seen, but you you are really getting noticed because when you take care of your clients, hair and it's growing and it's healthy, meaning that it's not shedding it's not breaking that. You know their hair is throbbing. They will continue to um, come to you, so one you're going to have that client. Yes, they will tell other people. So that's what I'm I was getting at um. So you know you see the people on social media um, although they have the numbers per se, but are they really in business like what is that financial side looking at it, and so um definitely know uh that when you stay the course I had to learn This the hard way, but when you stay the course you definitely can build um a sustainable business, um and then just for clients um. I would just say just that: um awareness piece and I think where it breaks down, is sometimes people don't even know that they're experiencing house or is something to be aware of. So for you, I would just say you know, start paying attention to your body. Stop neglected, like our body, is the first sign to tell us um when something's wrong. So if something is persistent, you have a certain pain or a ache, or you know pay attention to what you eat, because this it was let's say similar I'll. Give you a quick example. I was talking with the client um. She happened to be on blood pressure medication, but I had to get her to see it and I'm like okay. Well, when did you start experiencing the dryness with your hair? When did you start experiencing um the itchiness and then I'm like okay? Well, how long ago, did you start the Medicare like? When did all this change and she's, like you know what precious it all started when I you know when I was diagnosed with that, and they put me on medication, so it was like okay, and I was like okay now. What were you doing with these particular hairstyles? Sometimes like you know so, do you think you can change this hairstyle? You know because right sometimes, when we get so set in a certain way, because our hair is our image right, uh and I totally get it. But if you want healthy hair, then you're gon na have to change some things for a little bit, so you can get it back into its Integrity, okay, all right um! So there you go. If you guys are experiencing hair loss um, you got to find somebody find somebody who was willing to actually take care of your your your your your your hair, holistically yeah, like you, got to find someone who's gon na um be interested not just giving your hairstyle, But your hair growth and your hair, the healthiness of your hair right if you're a stylist. If you need to add to your repertoire or Your Arsenal of things that you do in your um in in your in your salon or or just you know just what your service, your services, then maybe you know reach out to her and find out. You know find out what is it, what it is that she's offering, so you guys, so you can offer these people some things. You know some some different things to do some different ways to do things. Let'S see how people how they can get in touch with you? Yes, absolutely so I would greatly appreciate it if you all could follow me on Instagram and I'm on Tick Tock. So it's at precious. So I'm looking to grow my Tick Tock, I'm the goal is to get to a thousand followers. So please spell your last name: precious! Oh, yes, so it'll be r-u-t as in time l-i-n. So precious like Precious Moments, Rutland, precious, Rutland, um and then for those of you that want to go further um and as far as like education or seeing if my program is a good fit for you or if you're, a salon, owner and you're thinking about. You know even just having some hair loss workshops just to come in and to train your staff and introduce them to natural hair. You can go to teach me to grow, hair.com and just apply they're, sending your inquiry and we'll get back to you and set up some time. So we could talk all right. Then there you go. Thank you so much precious for your time. It has been fun, as always, the person is a couple of years ago, it's about three years, it's about three years about three years ago and um she's been just just consistent across the board doing what she do, and I appreciate someone who knows what they're doing And able to um to kind of show people another way of doing things, but I will see you guys again at the grown folks table all right: y'all, foreign, okay, good job, nice,