Dry Shag Haircut & Hairstyle For Women | Shaggy Layers | Tips & Techniques

Um, i'm just working, i'm going to be doing all this whole haircut dry, um, i'm going to be cutting this pretty short um, but still leaving a little bit of length just having fun with it. I decided to go with a little bit more just off the cuff, with this haircut. I just want to create art with it. I'M not going so much crazy, technical but um. What i'm doing is i'm taking pie sections and i'm going off of the cowlick area of where she's, where the hair grows. So all the hair is growing this way, that's the hair that i'm working on now and i'm just gon na be pulling everything out. 90 degrees from where it's living at right now, so we were talking about this a little bit before you got started about uh like not overly planning, like your your kind of approach to this so you're looking at am you asked her a few questions and you Know did you do you pick like one thing like okay, i'm gon na start here and i'm gon na. Do this and then see what happens yeah. So i knew that i wanted to take the layers pretty short um, when i'm, when, when i come to like more of my creative haircuts, i probably plan about 20 of it and then the other. The other percent is just. It sounds weird, but, like i just kind of like let the hair kind of tell me what it kind of wants to do so um. Do you think over planning, like just kind of limits, the the creativity or do you like? Have you had like times where you've over planned and like had a failure, and then you're like? I don't want to do that anymore, um yeah, because sometimes i'll have this idea in my head of how i want it to come out and then i plan it and then it doesn't come out that way. It looks a little bit different um. So i think that's kind of why i don't really do too much color right now, because i, i think how it's going to come out and it'll come out like totally different. I get frustrated but um yeah. I think there is such thing as over planning um. It'S uh interesting because you know you're still very technical here, like i think. Sometimes people think oh, if you don't plan that just means you're picking up, hair and chopping it off. But it seems to me like you're, taking a pretty technical approach for something. That'S kind of free form, yeah, so um. I always like have like a blueprint in my brain of how i'm cutting hair. One thing that i always focus on is the silhouette or contour of the haircut or the shape of the haircut when it's done right so meaning like if i were to turn them sideways and turn the lights off and flash the flashlight. Here i want the shadow um to look good, so that's always like in the back of my head and what controls that is is my cutting line. So i'm very aware of like what this shape is doing so um silhouette is always a big, a big factor when i'm cutting hair. I just wanted to look good from all angles, so we have a few questions coming in mary uh. George again, i hope it's so hard to call the last name. So please bear with me i'm trying. Is there a reason why you're working on dry, hair yeah, i like i've, been cutting dry hair lately a lot more um, it's very instant gratification. For me, um in school, we teach the kids to start off the haircut wet right because when the hair is wet, there's the reason for that is because um when the hair is wet, it's a lot easier to control. It stays all nice and sectioned. You don't have to um worry about the hair. Fighting back on you, so cutting dry hair dry is a little bit more difficult, but the more and more i feel, like you, get more advanced at cutting hair. It becomes a lot easier to control it, because the hardest thing of cutting dry hair is just controlling the hair. All the elevation, the over direction, the tension all still comes into play, but it's just controlling it dries a lot more difficult um would you say, you're using a lot of tension here. Are you being light-handed my tension's pretty consistent um? I like a good reference before i cut i'll turn it this way, so you can see it. I like to make sure that the hairs are all kind of like the teeth of my comb, all nice and straight coming up from that section. So my tension is pretty pretty consistent. I feel like for the haircut. I want to give a shout out to our friend dennis tattori. I hope you're doing well, keep it keep it going stay strong man. He says he likes the way you stabilize the scissors. With your index finger, thank you. It'S nice to see some good technique. So, let's talk again, we were chatting. We had a little time to kill before we got started and we were talking a little bit about fern's background that uh how he started off at paul mitchell and then kind of got the cosmetology background. Plus the barber background. Do you find having those two things mixing together gives you like kind of a maybe a special perspective. I do i feel like there's this thing when i was in school and i didn't think it was real until i went through barbara college. So it's called like a barber's eye right, so um, it's it's something that you kind of develop as you're, going through the barbering program, but i feel like the combination of cutting hair well like as the cosmo, i would focus on a section of hair right um, But i feel like going through the barbering program now before i cut what i'm doing is like i'm, i'm focused on every single hair, that's coming out of that skin, every every single hair. So i feel like a lot more attention to detail. I got out of from becoming a barber um, so you're literally a stronger haircutter. Definitely you literally went to you got your cosmetology license and you were telling a little story before that. Then you know somebody wanted a zero fade and you didn't know how to do it. You didn't feel comfortable, and you said you know what i'm going to actually now go and get a barber license on top of this so and that kind of train your eyes. So you're saying like was it mostly to do with fading, like how you have to every single hair counts in a fade? Exactly so like the shorter you cut hair, the less room there is for air um, but yeah. The reason i went to barbering college was because um yeah there was an incident where i was helping a future professional with a haircut and the guy came in and he wanted a zero fade, and i didn't know what a zero fade was. I just knew it was short um, so i told the student go, get your machine and she got all excited because she never used one before yeah in school. They would get clippers in their kit, but everything was all sheer overcome, sheer overcome um, so she grabs the machine. We slip the client down and we tell him like you're like how short do you want your hair he's like on a zero fade, so i was like all right, so we put the shortest guard on. We make our first cut. I show him he's like no. I want him shorter than that, so he's like take the guard off of the machine, so i was like okay, so i take the guard off the machine. You panic a little bit at that point, instant, sweat just back of my knees, i'm sweating right so um, because i see skin right away and i'm like what am i good? How are we gon na blend this so uh? We ended up just kind of faking. The whole haircut i felt super um bad because the student felt like she couldn't do a proper fate, and i felt like i just felt at my job right, because my job as an instructor is when the students get stuck. They like raise their hand like hey fernan. Can you help me out um with with the haircut, if i didn't, have the skills to help him in that situation? So i felt like i just watched him like drown right. So after work that day i went, and i looked up the closest barber college and it was in anaheim, california called the real barbers college. It'S not there anymore, but um and i enrolled. And then i went when i went to talk to the lady in admissions. They'Re, like since you already have a cosmo license, it's only 400 hours to get your barber's license, but i was so frustrated from what just happened like a couple hours ago that i uh i was like. No, i want to do the whole program again so um. I would she's like right, cool, more money for us um and then i was in school for another two years doing barbering at night, so em you're also a hairdresser. How did you uh? How did you meet up with fern? You were telling us a little bit before that he's cut your hair before yeah, so he did a class um and like the weekend before that there was a barber and cosmo expo in monrovia, and so i actually participated in the live battle that day and then I met um the hanzo rep deanna and then she asked me if i wanted to be a model for haircut and i'm like heck yeah. That sounds fun anything to do with here. Let'S do it and then she was like, oh by the way it's going to be from the barber, and i was like oh my gosh, so you're a fan already. I am right on he's a great educator, yeah lots of love coming in, for you fern lots of your friends out there watching from all over the world. Thank you. Thank you. We have a question from radha she's wondering. Would there be a difference if you stood on the opposite side, while you were cutting um you choose like? Is it specific what your body position is right now, the reason? Well, i'm just trying to the when i'm on this side of the head. I just try to be well since i'm pulling everything out 90. I'M not really focused so much on over direction um, but i do know that i want to cut from the shortest to the longest rather than standing on this side, cutting from long into my short hair. So now i have like already a guide of where i'm going to start and then that's kind of where i'll just continue and then i'll um stand. So i'm going to be standing on this side for the probably the remainder of the haircut, the main reason being that you want this, the scissor coming from the shortest part it you can always cut shorter. This way i find because your fingertips can kind of like getting closer to the head when you work with your knuckle on the other side, you got all that like knuckle meat in the way, and you can't keep it as uh controlled knuckle meat like that. Well, have you seen my knuckles? I'Ve had to really figure this stuff out. Believe me yeah. So, just again, just to recap where i am. I just took my my sections and i'm just taking my just triangle, sections working my way, all the way around everything was pulled out at 90, so my cutting line is just following the head shape. The reason why i decided to go this way versus flat. If i were to go flat and where to push her hair forward, then i'm going to have all this weight just kind of sitting here in the front. So if i cut it following the head shape this way when it falls it kind of layers itself - and it looks already like i put in a lot of texture - which i really haven't done any texturizing yet, but it kind of just lays and it doesn't leave The bangs, all heavy, our buddy, steve statlin from asbury park, says he's psyched to watch you work. Thank you. Thank you steve now, um. Are you familiar with a classic technique? Called the moosh yeah a moosh is uh. It'S a technique from the late 60s uh roger thompson, sassoon technique that was basically cut like they're shorter on the inside longer around the edges um. You know, and the idea was yeah you'd pivot around and you kind of really take all the weight out of the inside and keep stuff around the edges to play with. You know i i know you're not even halfway through your haircut, but it's resembling that kind of vibe right now yeah. I feel like right now. I'M cutting a lot of um low maintenance, haircuts, meaning like these, like the shags and the mullets, don't require a lot of like round brushing smoothing all that type of stuff. It'S very like you cut it and it it's more natural, more and more natural. So out of the shower a little bit of product, let it air dry and then they can just break it up with the fingers. So i feel like that's a lot of haircuts, that i've been doing and teaching lately is shags moles crops, just very low maintenance, but still looks good kind of haircuts. Yeah i mean when you think about it, you know. Take all the weight out from the inside makes for low maintenance, because you know there's nothing in there to like move around like the most high maintenance haircut is like a one-leg bob. You know it's got to sit in exactly the right place. If you put it in the wrong parting, it doesn't sit right. It needs the most attention with hair cutting where the more layered it is internally like this. She could probably let this grow out now for a year and it wouldn't you know it wouldn't need any attention. Yes, very structured. I feel, like i consider myself very structured when it comes to cutting hair. The drawback, like you said, is less frequency to visit. So since there's a strong foundation that it has right now, it's going to go around, she can keep growing it out and still kind of hold its shape. You know fern on that note. The one thing i'll say is less frequency of visit means. You can charge more per haircut because people can realize the value meaning like you know, oh wow, his haircuts are so good. I only need to come twice a year, so i'm willing to pay. You know three figures: a hundred dollars 200 because i used to have to go every six weeks and it cost me fifty dollars. So it's something to think about, and i always try to say that to people if you can learn how to cut hair so that you can dry and finish it in a very natural way and the haircut lasts longer, you should charge more nice yeah. I love that um, so next, what i'm going to do is i'm going to start to add in texture into the haircut um. Typically, what people do to add? Texturing is they'll come through and they'll like point cut right, create these little tiny little tiny bees right. You put product in and then boom and then there's texture, but the effect is you're knocking holes into this into your design line and then, like i said earlier, my design line is what's in control of the silhouette or the shape of the haircut. I want to keep that nice and strong, but i still want to add texture, so i'm going to do the same technique. All i'm doing is i'm switching up my tool, so i'm going to come in still creating my cuts at an angle, but this still stays nice and solid, so i'm still having that texture in the interior, but this is still staying nice and solid. So my my silhouette or my shape is going to be strong still, so this is a great technique for especially like a lot of my clients that have fine hair. They want texture, but you think you can't go in there and point cut because you're like dude. If i keep texturizing your hair, it's going to look bald right, so i'll come in with my texturizing scissors, create the texture, and this will still stay nice and solid yeah. There was a question from victoria cripps just right about that. She says you know. If you don't have thick hair, can you still have a shag? Yes, you can got love coming in from all over the world. From scotland, i've had people watching from romania. It'S a great thing about facebook and these facebook lives. You know we've done probably well. Over 600 of them now - and in case you didn't know they're all available on our facebook page, all you have to do is uh go to harebrains facebook, page click, the live button and you can see all the lives we've ever done. Going all the way back to the beginning, and it's well over 600, with incredible artists like fern, literally hundreds of them so check it out. Um and another thing, you'll notice is how i'm coming in and i'm out the direction that i'm adding the texture into the haircut right. So how i'm point cutting right, we all know, like short, hair, pushes long hair. So since i know everything's being off of the the roll here, so i want to make sure that my short is coming short to long. So when i go to style, it's going to want to go in that direction. If i were to stand on the opposite side right and do my point cuts this way and cut here here and here now my shorts long's going the opposite direction. So when the client goes to style their hair, these little hairs are gon na, be like no. I want to go over there, but these ones are like it's gon na fight each other. So it's a lot easier to style. So um little things like that. Another thing is how i'm, how i'm the reason why i'm coming in more out of it out of an angle rather than horizontal a lot of times. People will be like how come you don't just do this like cut straight across right um, if i were to cut it this way, what's going to the effect of that, is all these hairs they're all going to fall to the same spot right i want to Create movement separation. So if i come in more at an angle, a diagonal right when it falls it's going to fall at different points, different points, different points, i'm going to have a lot more movement in the haircut separation. So that's the reason why i'm going in at more of angle versus horizontal. Can you talk a little bit about the amount of teeth on your on your scissor there like? Does that make a difference? You know because sometimes you see texturizers with 50 teeth and sometimes they have six teeth, and you know tell us a little bit about yours and why they're working for what you're doing yeah so this is this is my texturizer. This is this is from hanzo. It'S a vt-1, um notice. The teeth are a little bit more spaced apart um we do have some that are a lot more gapped right. So the easiest way to know which texturizer to use the bigger the the spacing the more um bigger the affected you're gon na - have this one. Let me just so you guys can see a visual, real, quick, so you're saying the more space between the teeth. The more effect you're going to have on the texture yeah so like these, and these take out the same amount of weight or weight in the in the in the haircut right. It'S just how it takes it out differently right. I compare it to people that do color like the bigger the foil, the bigger the weave, the spacing the more stripy it's going to be the closer it is the more less you're going to have so, depending on how much texture that you want is going to Determine which tool you use when i was in school um, i didn't know how to use texturizing scissors. My my instructor was like you can do everything with one one scissor right and in my head, i'm thinking, then why do they give us these these scissors? They have to be here for a reason right, so i had to like retrain myself and learn like the benefits of using it, because tools are made to help our job a lot easier and be more quicker behind the chair, yeah. You know what i would say. It'S not the tool, it's who's using it exactly so you know you can figure out how to make great hair with with anything whether it be a razor. A sheer you know anything. That'S got a sharp enough edge to cut that hair um and then again how i'm texturizing it you'll notice that, since i brought everything out, 90 90, 90. 90. That'S the same way. I'M gon na be texturizing. I'M not just gon na bring it up in different directions, so, like a good example, is if i were to cut m's hair - and let's see i did this flat square layer on top, if i were to texturize it the whole time i'll be up here, i Would never like be pulling that hair and texturizing out here, because that's not how i was cutting i'd, be destroying my shape so um always always with a purpose. There has to be like a reason, so i'm almost done texturizing this top part and then i'll work more yeah. That brings up a question. How do you know when you're done, because i think sometimes people, you know they texturize? They do it kind of mechanically and then you might overdo it or under do it. How do you know when you've taken enough out? I think that's that's a great question i feel like that's. That'S comes down to the artist of who's, doing doing the haircut um. I think it it there's no like right or wrong, like i'm, not one of those those haircutters were like it has to be a certain way like i. I think that if it makes sense and you're able to explain it, why and the person understands and then it's totally fine um i just keep going until i think it looks it looks good and then then i'll stop but and then going into barbering. That'S one of the one of the reasons why i think barbering was so so real quick. So i like how this is kind of her natural wave kind of goes like this, so i'm going to when i'm i'm going to go into and carve the same direction that it's wanting to flow yeah barbering was so hard for cosmos to learn because um, the Barber or the cosmos would ask a barber like a question about fading and every barber fades differently and they're getting so many different answers um. So i think it's super important that when you guys are picking your mentors and barbers to follow just kind of learn that one way and then once you kind of master it, then you can learn a different way or make up your own way. Yes, yeah. You can you can do that too. That'S a good point that you bring out with uh. You know with fading that everybody has a different way of doing it. We see a lot of like kind of arguments about that when it first started a lot of online education about fades, but uh yeah, i always say just judge by the end result. If that thing is seamless and it looks beautiful, then it worked. If it's not, then it didn't yeah, i mean, and it comes down to tools too, just knowing like i'll do classes and then just investing in quality machines and making sure your your tools and all that stuff are are adjusted properly. A lot of times, like my classes, i'll set a needs list and the attendees come with one clipper like you need more than than one one one machine. You need a trimmer. You need a one that does like with the lever that goes up and down. There'S. So many different variables that you kind of even that you'll get some barbers arguing and say you only need one machine. So it's it's just like that! Perfect uh, you know creative individual expression. So do you spend more time now because i see you know a lot of what you're creating um seems to be um more feminine stuff rather than masculine stuff? These days, are you? Are you doing a lot more of that or yeah i mean i i i feel like i'm get. I i'm honestly. I get i open up my instagram page, and i see like, like i like to see more, like i get bored of seeing the same like fade all the time all the time like, so it allows me just to kind of switch it up um. I think that that's the cool thing about learning how to do both uh women's and men's, is for fading, and this kind of hair is i'm using two different parts of my brain. I feel like when i'm cutting hair like this, i'm very aware of like elevation over direction. My finger angle, all those come into factor, but when i'm using a machine, i'm literally just zoning out just playing with gradient light and dark light and dark. So i'm using like a whole different, i feel like i'm using like the left. Whatever i don't know, the sides of the brain, but like the one that like does the drawing the right side is the drawing side yeah so and the left side is the uh. Like a literal side, all right so now talk a little bit about what you were just doing there, because we got a little uh. You know chatty, but it what's the point. You know how you choose where to go in there and you can see it like really brings out the wave pattern yeah. So basically, wherever her, wherever m's hair kind of kind of curves, i'm just coming and cutting on that. Just to kind of help enhance that. That motion of the of the wave she has a pretty nice um. You can see it like. If you were to finger wave her hair, it would look pretty. It would pop out pretty pretty easily. I feel like um but yeah again, just going more of how how it feels again sounds weird, but it's kind of letting the hair kind of tell you what to do kind of tilt up a little bit more love coming in jill fixico says. I agree. I also go with the flow of the hair and what makes sense to me: uh for the outcoming style and vanessa sosa, says, love the attention to detail and how you are customizing the shape to her hair texture, rob law says great cut thanks everyone. I appreciate it all right getting into the the fringe, the bangs and going right in there. So what's going through your mind right now, so i want to create a nice um uh again base. So what i'm focusing on right now is the shape. So this like bone structure right, so i want to create, like a nice kind of curve um, so i'm gon na i'm just gon na follow this curve. It kind of down turn this over just a little bit any tips here on choosing a length, because something like this a little too short it can kind of get pokey. Did you look at any of the growth directions to decide what would work yeah? So i looked at her sorry um hairline, so i just kind of like again. This is her hair, so i didn't blow dry. It um. She washed her hair and then came in with it naturally dry. So i was able to see what was gon na pop up and not pop up so um. I know that she's not gon na have to smooth this out or do anything crazy, because this is kind of i'm just cutting it. Naturally, you can even see like the hair underneath how it's kind of curving, where the cowlick is i'm just kind of letting it do its thing when you're when you're talking to a client, do you ask them to hey if you know you're going to be doing A lot of dry cutting: do you ask them to just like leave in a little uh, leave-in conditioner and just let it dry naturally and come in yeah so um? I will have them kind of come in with their hair clean and just tell them not to uh blow dry. It yeah, and do you typically typically just go right to work? Do you ever? Do you shampoo it after the cut, or do you just skip that all together i mean if they're gon na i i try to if they're gon na shampoo, then i'm gon na obviously charge them more um a lot of times. My clients are just coming in. Just because they know they get a pretty solid haircut from me, so um they don't really care about so much like the style because they can do that at home by themselves, but so a real haircutter's haircutter i mean i i mean i like i blow dry In style, but i just don't like enjoy it very much so were you working on symmetry on both sides? Here it looks like it's going pretty balanced, or are you going to thinking about any like little asymmetry, i'm trying to keep it as uh symmetrical as possible? It'S always fun to do without a mirror right, yeah, it's like the most like hard thing to do, but um just kind of backhanding. All these hairs here and i feel like backhand - is something that uh a lot of times is overlooked. I feel like show us what you mean by that backhand, so backhand, like the reason why we teach backhand and freehand is um. Hair always goes short. Push is long, okay, um! If this is a piece of hair, i don't know if you guys have ever cut in a bob and the ends are always wanting to go in one direction or you cut a fringe, and it's always wanted to kind of curve. You'Re thinking like you're ironing it out but you're like it's still curvy and you're, like that's, probably just how the hair grows, but the what's actually happening is the whole haircut is being cut in scissor directions that way right. So what happens is like if this is a piece of hair and i cut it and hold this hair under a microscope? It'S going to have a slight angle right and short, pushes long. So, whatever angle, that hair is falling, that's the direction that it's going to go in. So it's very important that, like from the center i'll backhand that side and then i'll, freehand the other side, yeah, unfortunately a lot of people. They don't learn that. I think a great place to learn backhand is just even learning how to cut a one-length line. It'S the heart. I everyone asked me like: what's your favorite haircut to cut and then my two haircuts is, one is a flat top because it's either flat or it's not um and the other one is a bob, because it's just a one length bob just because it seems like It'S the easiest thing to do, but i feel like it's pretty hard to get it so you like the technical stuff. Yes, it's either right or it's wrong or it's not. You know, as we're saying you start to get into layering and a lot of texturizing. It allows for a lot of a lot of room for interpretation with flat tops and one-length bobs. It'S right, or it's not exactly so right. Now. What i'm doing is um i'm going to be cutting from the surface right just to let a little bit of light in so like if you've ever cut a full bang and then the lady's like. Can you make it more wispy? Usually, people will come in and they'll do this right, but next time try using these and if you come in from the top what's going to happen, is this line is going to start to be more translucent but you're not going to lose the actual line of The hair, are you you're, not cutting all the way through there? Is it just the top surface, leaving the edge hair out yeah, so it's actually helping it kind of like bevel and hug the head a little bit tighter, so you're, picking it up and making sure that perimeter drops away and then just closing right on it. Yeah and then on this side i'll do the same thing just so. It'S not so heavy. It'S working nicely with your color m. You'Ve got that little uh. Did you plan that out or why you just got lucky yeah, it's perfect. It looks like it was colored deliberately for that, so we're happy to say that you've been back out uh on the road teaching for paul mitchell. You were just mentioning that you you're going somewhere this weekend. What what uh? What kind of things have you been doing in the paul mitchell world yeah, mostly the schools um? I just came back last week from palm beach of the school austin um. They had like a barber battle, type of thing, so kind of helped them with that um. Next week i go to paul mitchell, the school ogden, which i never been to that school. Yet, but and now you know what do you find in these schools? I mean what what's the i know: it's been a tough year for cosmetology schools and a lot of people having to learn from home. Do you feel, like things are getting back on track and students are learning in person again um yeah? It'S. I feel it's getting a lot more normal, i'm just glad to be back in the schools again teaching um in person rather than on his like zoom, so i can get a little bit more personal yeah. It'S like we always say i mean that you know online education is not meant to replace in-person education, it's meant to complement it and and help you have more uh relationships with the educators, but it's definitely was never meant to replace it, and i think you know, During this pandemic, we we definitely learned the value of it, but it even more puts a value on live education and knowing how important it is all right. So i'm going to come in with the invisible wear, undone texture spray, just to kind of start to style. It kind of expand it a little bit. So that's a paul mitchell spray. What now? What? What exactly does that do? Invisible? Wear i like the name, so it's like very it's very dry texture. It'S one of my newest favorite products from from paul mitchell's, invisible line. So it's a dry product, it doesn't dampen the hair at all. It'S no! It'S! It'S almost like uh. I feel like uh like a dry shampoo kind of like a powder, and you know like the texture powders, has that consistency, but it allows me to just really just i feel like you can't use like too much of it or you know some products if you Use too much like just get gritty and built up yeah. I guess that's where the invisible wear comes from. It'S super light on the hair. Do you get uh involved in product development at all with paul mitchell? I have actually um. I was one of the six barbers to create the the maverick the maverick line um. I love that line. I love the the beard stuff and the the beard, oil and the aftershave that's great. I mean so far. We'Ve had like a lot of uh good feedback. Um, a lot of barbers are into it. Even barbers are not from paul mitchell they're from doing shows they come to the booth and be like yo. What is that? So? I think we did it pretty good on that on that line, there's probably still more to come, but again you don't work exclusively with men. I think which gives you that kind of a little extra special quality, because you're doing masculine haircuts feminine haircuts. Everything in between and just kind of making your own your own style yeah again, that's just again the benefit of i feel like, and that's because i was invested in in my in myself like i took the time like to everyone's always like fern, why you cut So many doll heads you already know how to cut hair. I'M like i know, but the purpose of me cutting all the doll heads is because it's my practice right, like i consider myself a professional um just like at professional athletes, don't stop practicing just because they're they're they're professional, they probably practice more because well, one they're Getting paid but two because they know if, if not, someone else, is going to come and take their spot on the team, so i feel like cutting mannequin heads um. Investing in like that time to to better yourself is just going to make you a lot more. More stronger yeah, no doubt i mean we actually even have a series of lives that we call professionals who practice we'll have to get you to do. One of those it's uh, our friends at pivot, point give us some mannequins to do it, and the whole idea is to say that even when you're already accomplished, you need to practice more and usually the best hairdressers are the ones that are the ones who are Practicing all the time, because we always say if you're not getting better you're getting worse, you don't like stand still. It'S not like. Oh i've mastered everything. I don't need to do anything more if you're thinking that you're actually losing your skills, because you can't stand still. This looks phenomenal and you look so good. I'M sure you're dying to see it. Yes, i'm so excited. So what are you looking at now? I'M just looking at the overall shape. Usually this part, i would have a mirror and i would be using the mirror, but i don't have one so i'm just kind of just using the silhouette or the um. The background of you guys just to see if it's balanced or not do you feel as though working on mannequin heads also keeps you inspired for him. It'S it's kind of how i get to do my well. This actually was fun. This is this is fun. For me to do because i had free range to do kind of whatever um but yeah. It keeps me motivated. I feel like a lot of times i get in these funks, where i don't where i'm like, i'm not i'm not like in the mood or i'm not very inspired. I guess so that lets me just kind of do my own thing and not worry about like the clients gon na, like this or not or whatever you know so. This right now is just a little bit of spray wax. This is one of our og um products when i was in school. This was like. I use this on every single person, um yeah, i can remember spray wax from when it first came out - and this i have to say was - was one of the revolutionary products in the industry um. It must have been around 2001.. I actually owned my salon at that time and we were a paul mitchell salon because i was educating with paul mitchell and i remember when this stuff came out and you couldn't keep it on the shelves, because there was nothing like it before we used to use. Hairspray and try to do what you're doing but spray wax still one of my all-time favorites and uh just a great great product and congratulations to all the years of success, and it's still it's still amazing. It'S not even outdated at all that product, yeah yeah. I'Ve been uh during uh quarantine, we were, i was doing zoom classes, and i was doing this thing where i was just kind of going through all the different products in school, and i was like i saw this in the back. I haven't used that for a minute, so then i use it on one of the haircuts um. What how i like to use it i'll kind of spray it in right, and then i like to let it kind of sit and get a little bit tacky, because i don't like to go in right after right out of the can, because then it just like Kind of solidified and then once it gets to that like tackiness, then you can come through and just get really like. I remember again when it came out like doing like a halfway good round brush blow dry, which i've never been great at and then flipping someone over and putting spray wax in it yeah and doing exactly what you said. Let it dry for a minute all of a sudden. It was like, as if i had done the most voluminous incredible round, brush blow dry, so great on long hair as well as funky haircuts, yes, but yeah pretty much. I think this is kind of the end result. Well, this is well, let's take off the cape and, let's see uh, see how it suits the person, because i think it really all come together when you see m's unique style, the cool little dots you've done with your makeup here. That'S not all hair guys we're trying to get most of it off emma's a hairdresser, so she can definitely rock this unique hair.