Beauty Forever Hair | Honest Review
- Posted on 26 January, 2020
- Fake Scalp Wig
- By Anonymous
AliExpress hair company vendors are hit and miss. You can watch all the YouTube videos in the world and never know which hair company really has good quality hair til you actually try it.
I’m starting a playlist series on the hair company’s I try. “THE REAL TEA” The good and the bad.
This video is about BEAUTY FOREVER HAIR I hope this helps someone.
Every other review here on YouTube, saying that this hair barely sheds and they just love how much this hair doesn't shed. They lie, they lie hi. You guys welcome back to my channel if you're new here my name is Simon. So today's video is another hair review. If you don't already, I have one other hair of you on my channel already I'll link that somewhere in here just in case you want to see it. This video is about Beauty forever, hair company. I believe it's an Aliexpress hair company. It'S super popular here on YouTube. I'Ve watched tons of videos of different girls who have either been sponsored this hair or have bought this hair and every single bit almost every single video I've watched had such rave and good reviews, and I don't know if those were abused were 100 %. Honest because those videos were sponsored - and you know there are biased towards the brand. I basically judge hair on 5 different stars. Well, that's the price point of the hair. How well does the hair take color, because normally sometimes I got my hair dress black or I would got my hair blonde? How much does the hair shed does the hair tangle? Because if the hair tinkles is trashed and how long does the hair mass for the price point that I paid for, it is actually sitting right here behind me. So beauty forever is, I think they have their own website as well, but they're, mostly known on Aliexpress. I'M trying to find okay alrighty, so I purchased um the beauty forever. Brazilian body wave lace, front, wig, it's a 13 by 6 part so 13 and a 6 inch part, which is what I really liked about it. I liked that it had a big part. It was 150 density or it is, it is 150 density. I purchased a 24 inch for 229 91, so I'm watching YouTube, and you know I'm going through this. If a hair company is trying to find it, you can't hair company know to purchase wrong. So I thought alcohol. I thought upon a bunch of different videos on forever. So I'm, like you know what these these this hair looks bomb all this looks bomb. Might let me go ahead and try it so I go purchase the hair super excited because I'm getting ready to say I have braids at the time, so I was saying getting ready to take them out. It'S super humid here in Florida, so I didn't want to have my hair out, so I'm like okay, you know what I let me get away by this when a bomb purchased the hair. I was packing and I don't have like video of it, but I don't a packet at the hair seemed good seen it was soft. It didn't really have like a bad smell to way. It was just you know, your regular regular wake up package, but I go ahead dye, the hair cool. So I'm like all right. Let me air dry it because I know you know with certain Aliexpress vendors. It'S not good for you like blow-dry the hair. So I allowed it to air dry first and foremost, it took forever and a day it literally took like two days for this hair to dry, which is beyond me like. I think the price point is good. It'S pretty cheap for a 24 inch 13 by 6 part wig for two 29.91. I think that's a really good price point again, it's more on the cheaper side. So it's not! You know I wasn't spec team to get the best quality hair for that price point. It'S just like okay, you knows, I know that's cheap, but that's just something I could wear real quick. I don't have to wear this every day I can just this is the wig. I can just stop on and go and old asked me a few months so price point wise. I will give this hair of five and regards to price point, because it's a good price point for the length, though the quality of the frontal like them. The lace part is really good. It'S really natural when you put it on it's really natural when you bleach the knots so for that the price point I'll do with this hair about this hair you're going to have hair everywhere everywhere. So if I brush this like, I have - and you can't see this on camera, but like a shits on a hair like falls out of this - I didn't this. This unit comes pre plugs, so I didn't pluck this. I didn't put this because I have a really full hairline so like I don't really need to pluck a lot of hair and then I also don't like baby hairs and all that in my wigs. Every other review here on YouTube, saying that this hair barely sheds, and they just love how much this hair doesn't shed. They lie they lie. They lie to you because this hair, this hair, is like freaking crazy. For that you get one, stop you forever. You get one star, tinkle tinkle is an understatement. This hair doesn't tangle. This hair gets mad. Okay, I don't know if they gave me plastic hair. I don't know if I got the unit that was sitting in the back of their warehouse, but when they sent me this, I and this and again initially initially I was like cool with the hair flat iron it. What I even worried - I haven't worn out and now I'll like insert something here about with me wearing the hair, but I even wore it out and that night the hair was fine, but I'm telling you this hair lasted me two days. I got two days of quality hair from this hair until it started literally mad enough and what I mean by Madi. It doesn't get like synthetic hair mad, like you know, like holiday, heart type situation. It'S not a holiday heart situation. It'S like it's stiff. There. You go it's not it's a bit stiff. It'S a stick. It'S the hair, I'm from Florida, I'm from Florida, it's hi Florida. It gets real hot, so the humidity in the air in Florida. The fact that you probably sweat in you know on the side of your neck or something so you have to have really good quality hair to last out when you step outside of order this, even as I'm doing this, the hair is starting to get stiff. Like I don't even know, if you could see it, you kind of see it, but I thought it was because you know maybe, like I dyed it and I di rinse all the dye good enough. So I need to rinse out the diet properly and decondition it and you know whatever. So I did it exactly that I would say hair on again to make sure those absolutely you know, residue in the hair. I deep conditioned it that it's in the hair for a long period of time, you have to sit out here and wait. A long period I'll include pop along periodically sign, wash it out, make sure there was absolutely no residue and let it air dry once again, and I was like okay, this is going to restore the hair. This is what you know, because it's my fault, it's my fault that I died. It is my fault that I probably didn't wash it all right, I'm not gon na fault these people for me having stiff ass hair, but the fact that I did all of that - and it's still stiffest means that this is very bad quality hair for the fact That it's tingly and a stiff I'm giving it one star as well. So I paid two hundred and twenty nine dollars and I know 91 cents for this 24 inch 13 by six part wig and I threw $ 229.90 in the garbage and I paid - and I also pay that, because there was a cool um, a special or like A a discount thing running on Alex Aliexpress his website for like 30 percent, or something like that, so I've got a discounted price for this hair and this hair lasted me two days. I didn't even get a full week of wearing this hair. It looks like a costume wig. It looks like I went to the Halloween store. You know, you know those Halloween pop-up stores. I went to a homie pop-up store purchase this wig because I wanted to be Cleopatra for Halloween or oh, mrs. Adams and I'm wearing this one night, I'm wearing this woman night. So for that I give this one star as well. So every review that you watched on this hair, claiming that it's the best hair, it's so silky, it's so nice, it's so natural! Looking! You know! I'Ve been wearing this for three months. I'Ve been wearing this for six months. I'M not gon na say that all these people on here on about there, I might have just been learned, the unlucky ones and just got a very bad batch of hair if you're looking for a quality, hair and you're. Looking for like a clapping goal, you know a wig that you can have for like three three six months. Then you don't wear everyday. You don't wear to sleep, you just put it on your head and go. This is not it the this. This hair is not it comment down below. Let me know if you've ever tried beauty for ever hair and you've had a bad experience with the hair as well give this video a thumbs up. If you like to see more videos like this. Thank you so much for watching. I hope you enjoyed don't forget to subscribe. Talk to you later,
Comments
Alyssa Alyssa: At this point, every hair seller have bad reviews. I don't know who to trust
Keisha: I was looking at reviews for this hair company to find someone speaking FACTS about this hair cause I thought I was delusional. I had brought two wigs earlier this year from this hair company thinking they were gonna bomb ass wigs that'll last.... While coming to my disappointment just after washing them, they started to feel different, but I didn't think much of it at first because I hadn't even put them on yet. Long story short, it didn't take long for the hair to show its true colors in the quality to the point where I feel like not only have i been ripped off but WASTED good money that could've been spent elsewhere. I'm happy to see that someone isn't afraid to share their truth so others can know that they shouldn't be scammed by high level youtubers who only care about cashing a check without ever considering peoples necessity for wanting a good and worthy product.
Lexi Jay: Thank you for the honest review I’m tired of wasting my money on these hair companies, Unice , Wiggins, Alipearl, hair vivi , Asteria = trash. I bleached curly hair from beautyforever and it completely lost its curl pattern it was completely straight. Smh
Tiffany Spears: I have bought 2 wigs from them and they have held up great! I have had them for over a yea and they still look good.
Sarah: I have a curly 5X5 unit from them and I get very minimal shedding. It’s good quality hair
jadahhh bhabieee: Thank you for this review cause I was just recently about to purchase from there..but my mom said she didn’t trust the website/company, she also said how the prices were so cheap that the hair was probably bullshit , I’m glad I listened and remained patient.
Call me Nehemiah: Thank you for the honest review I hate matted hair I just wasted $800 they think it’s ok to rip off out people and to all the people lying shame on them
Folake Obasanya: THANK YOU FOR BEING HONEST! THEY BE HYPING BEAUTY FOREVER
Krissy B: They send the influencers the quality hair and the regular customers get the low grade hair. I wish it was easier to make returns when these companies scam like this.
Prettyeyes Joseph: I was fooled by these reviews also.. I bought Celie bodywave , tinashe and now I have a 6x6 westkiss wig.... All were terrible ♀️ I don’t even think this is human hair Thanks for being honest
Rocka K: Thanks for your review, nobody is lying. some people have different expectations and will wear tangled, matted wigs and smile as if nothing is wrong with them. The wig I purchased, I will not even attempt to place on my head as it smells horrible and is super thin. I placed it back in the box just as quickly as I pulled it out. I mentioned return and they asked for a picture of the U-Part to show that it had not been cut. I sent a pic of that and then they offered me a 3% discount for my next order if I kept the wig. I politely declined since I don't know the way to China and this point I am feeling like I need to do a drive by so I didn't go because I didn't want any problem with my return. After I declined I told them I wouldn't keep it for a 99% off discount because it was too thin, too small, and smelled a jungle monkey. Once again they asked for more pics so went through the hold unboxing of the beast and send pictures of the entire ordeal and sent a told of 30 pics. So I finally received the mailing address and 30 minutes later they texted me and asked me had I returned it yet. I WILL NEVER DEAL WITH THEM AGAIN!!!!!
EverythingJuicie: Thanks for the video. You made some really valid points. In my opinion.. if anyone says their hair doesn’t shed would be lying I’m human and we all are humans and my real hair sheds ♀️the hair was also sewed to the weft so for sure it’s going to shed.. but to matte upoh hell naw lol that’s another story
Brittany N.: Thank you for your honest review. I've ordered bundles and a bob wig from beauty forever hair based off other YouTubers who love the hair so much. My Bob tangles and sheds like crazy and I only had it for a week. My bundles did the same thing tangled so much. It comes back to life when brushed. But once it starts moving it gets really stiff.
E Milly: Thank you for being honest, I was so hyped on the reviews! I have hair every where. In my car, sink, hair brush. It’s horrible!
Kvylani: I do think the cheaper the hair the lower quality it would be and they’re good at pricing hair based off of that. I had a wig for about 3 months (actually a couple) the units seem to be decently plucked and the hair is soft but I do feel like tangling is an issue once you reach like one month or in your words “matted” so I agree with your opinion on the hair from the company. Luckily I wear my wigs in ponytails because of work so matting isn’t an issue since it’s not moving too much against itself.
Zaihnyuh Garner: I usually get body wave bundles from them and the hair does do some shedding. I feel like that’s mainly because I don’t use any heat protectant when straightening it. Anyways mines lasted for about a good 7 months and was not stiff at all. The only time it did was when I had too much oil in it but a simple wash would fix that. The hair does take forever to dry like she said! Mines never tangled though. Maybe it’s different for bundles and wigs? Their curly hair is the best. NO shedding NO tangles!
ayana terry: You’re so right. I got a curly frontal ginger wig. I’m not going to lie I love how it looks. The shedding on the frontal…. Only wore it once and now I’m afraid to wear it again
Ambii taylor: I pressed on your video so fast!! But I’m glad someone was HONEST. About this hair company. Everyone going to say it’s bomb hair when the money is right ♀️ anyhoo I love your videos !!!!!!
Oh Shh, It’s Vegan?: I’ve been watching these videos all night, and lemme tell you how you and one other girl on here said thee same thing. I came across some curly hair from their website on here trying to learn how to maintain my own hair. Legit it’s only been two bad reviews! No lie their curly hair looks bomb! I just don’t know if I can purchase now. It seems like the people who actually bought their hair is getting trashy hair or telling the truth. I need a curly hair vendor of you have one. Thanks for your honesty.
Brittany H: I hope this was possibly a bad batch, I’ve ordered from beauty forever at least 3x and no issues for me. I just ordered from them again, I hope this never happens to me
Peyden Muhammad: After trying some of these hair companies based off reviews from Youtube, i can honestly say yall might as well buy hair from a good beauty supply if you wanna go the cheap route lol its almost the same price, quality & you can at least see the hair before you make a decision.
Nala Boo: Thank you for your honesty. I was just about to buy this hair to make my daughter a wig.
Leslie Alexandria: I had a straight wig from them too, it tangled so bad omg. Their curly hair is bomb tho.
Alpha Gonzalez MSN, APRN, FNP-BC, DNP-c: Thank you for your honesty so nice to actually watch a REAL review..
TRACEY GRIFFIN: Thank you for your HONEST hair review. I also live in FL (Tampa to be more specific) so i'm always looking for new protective styles outside of braids and twist.
Loredana-Georgiana Joldea: i honestly dont trust wigs at this point.. I just buy my tape extensions from wish. My hairdresser is shocked at the good quality and cheap price. But i guess everything nowadays with those cheap sites is a gamble. You never know what you have purchased until it has arrived.
Ally_Nicole: I’m sorry you had a bad experience with these hair... I bought 3 bundles and a closure of Malaysian curly didn’t have any problems
Kara La'cruz: Thank you so much for sharing. I had the same situation two months ago with Luv my hair. I went on YouTube and watched several different reviews, I order the hair because they had a sale. When I received my wig first thing I realized it doesn't fit on my head how is that possible so I just wasted $200 dollars on a wig that is now sitting there. So thank you for posting this video
Ayana Anderson: I’m so upset I found this video after I bought hair my closure went bald and tangled after only three weeks. It’s so disappointing because of the money I spent. I’m laying here now and it’s tangling smh.
AT Ohhitasha On IG: I found this on IG and ordered through the site I was a little nervous that it was just a scam or hacking thing wish I did more research
Christina Gomes: Lord I just ordered from them waiting for it to come in mail. I pray I get my $217.99 worth omg so tired of dealing with these companies
Kiera Jey: Hey...your review is 110% right I bought 2 weeks ago 22inch silky straight, 180 density. Mine was full of short hair, detangle and lots of white hair. When I open the box I was shock ! I try to contact them but, no reply! It just a scam company, that’s the way they make money by scamming ppl!
Jessi Dior: Most Reviewers Like Myself, Promote The Hair & Do Unboxing... Some Don’t Wear It Out That’s Why The Hair Is Being Praised Straight Out The Box... Lately I’ve Been Making Updates On The Wigs I Review & Telling The Cons. I’m On The Same Boat EXPOSE THESE COMPANIES !
Rachel Mitchell: Thank God I watched your channel.I was just about to order from them I'm glad I didn't .Thank you for your honesty
Aniya: I definitely had to subscribe!! i love how honest you are!! Really needed this!
Lisa Gibson: New subbie! I love your honesty! Women of color! It is such a shame that our so called hair gurus will lie just for the love of money! Shame on all of them! Sweetheart be blessed always! Sending prayers of love, prosperity, safety, favor and protection to you! May God the one who created your precious life bless you abundantly and tremendously! May God's favor be with you always! You are beautiful inside and outside! May you and your loved ones be blessed and stay blessed always! Thank you so much for warning your subbies because I was getting ready to order from this hair company! I will always appreciate and respect your honesty! Thank you for your compassion and kindness as well! Have a wonderful and blessed weekend to you and yours! ♥️
Monae Richez: I was just about to order from them . Thank god I saw your video
Milanj Jackson: I appreciate your review because girl..... I was like let me just try them I only want a shot bob cut. SO, I ordered the 3 bundle 12 inch deal. I just received it and I'm disappointed. The bundles seem like they're made up of all the split ends. Like I feel like I ordered 12s... no that is not what I ordered. I had to go back to the site and see maybe I ordered 12s... and nope, they don't even offer that lol long story short: I will be going back to my usual place even though they are higher.
Anashia McMillan: I was just about to order from them, I be skeptical too because of the videos being sponsored i’m glad I saw your video.
Bree Lewis: This was my first time ordering and I placed my order 2 weeks ago and it still hasn’t shipped. I don’t know if that’s normal or not for them. But they seem like a scam.
Anesha Grant: i feel u. wish i had seen this video instead of the other aponsored ones. I bought the same "wig" abother Youtuber reviewed about but it was so trash. shed so much and the knots WOULD NOT BLEACH. like wtf... ive gotten better wigs from Aliexpress. ugh. . im so mad.
Jen: Wondering which hair company you’ve come across that has the best quality hair
K Aging well in the real world: Thank you for a very honest review
Michelle EO: Finally honest reviews thanks sis
Glazed Beauty: I purchased their 13x6 HD Lace frontal with 4 bundles & Y'ALL I PURPOSELY didn't apply any heat for a WHOLE WEEK, other than the initial install with the hot comb, to see how long it would take to tangle, get split ends, shed, and get stiff....Y'ALL.... it took 4 days!!! Next thing I know, while I'm brushing the hair to untangle it, its tangling back up BEFORE I could even finish brushing that section...The hair is BEAUTIFUL at first, but it's just getting ridiculous at this point. Also, the frontal goes bald quicker...
D'Lawna Woolfolk: Premiere Lace Wig and OMGherhair never ever did me wrong. I love them dearly.
Lilahbeauty: Thank you for this bomb honest review new subbie!
Putting On Pampers In The Dark: I feel you I have had some really good batches of hair from them and bad to be honest I’ve been wearing the hair since about 2016 #ttylsis
winnie G: I got wigs and bundles from them that i bought 2 years ago that’s still good
Matron Specks: Wow I just bought some of this hair but oh well guess I’ll see for myself. I put sealer on my tracks anyway so sometimes you gotta put sealer on for it not to shed
Milan: i was just about to purchase from them , glad i clicked on your video!!
zay zay: Thank you soooo much for telling the truth
sweety pie: Yes, This company is horrible. The wig I ordered wasn't the density or length I ordered. It wasn't full and the same length I ordered like a YouTuber I was watching. I'm currently getting a refund now.
Cassandra Britt: Yes my curly wig sheds when I rub it …Horrible hair & the price was excessive. Feels and looks like the hair out of the pack in the store down the street. I’m going back to ULA or My 1st wig it last 12 months. If I wash this beauty forever hair it’s over. I’m mad about all the misleading reviews
Lachon harpes: No Boo how are you going to day somebody lied if you were not at their homes picking up shed hair, sometimes these hair companies have bad batches of hair and that's almost with anything, anywho I usually stick with what I know in doing so I've experienced bad batches with my favorite products....Don't say somebody lied, I personally know someone who purchased this hair and 6 months later it's still in good condition.
Juknisha Wynn: My wig from them sheds so much it’s so annoying! I wish I so this before! The hair doesn’t tangle has beautiful luster and super soft. BUT THE SHEDDING OMG! I’ll never wear that wig again, went to my man house had hair everywhere I was so embarrassed ♀️ I would clean it up and every turn it was hair smh never again! And the straight hair doesn’t curl well.
Serenitie3: I LOVE beauty forever hair. THE BUNDLES. I decided to try a wig and the hair was GREAT but that wig construction....no.
RandelJuliette: I literally just bought this friday It came in yesterday lawdd
Shana R.: I wish I never wasted my money on this hair
TT Clay: OMG GIRL....I was dying when you said "I waited a long Peer-Re-Od-Dic-Ca-ly long time". So funny
ESTHER WACHIRA: Am loosing hope from watching hair reviews coz the spornsored pple come and lie..we get all exited..then an honest review pops in ...and I wonna cry
Lola Valencia rodriguez: My hair is good didn’t shed color is a beauty:) ! I didn’t order through Ali express.. maybe it was the one bad batch..
Brittanydianee: Kendras Boutique is very expensive but they have the best hair hands down I had my wig for two years almost and the hair is still perfectly fine
The Poucha Diaries: You're so pretty! I love how you did your makeup.
Kiytia Hardy: Appreciate your honesty
Annalicia Williams: Is it beauty forever hair from Ali express or is it the page itself from Instagram
Desiree Reyes: This hair is bomb, I have 5 wigs from them. If you dont like it, return it, but this is the best wig store I know. You lying boo. 2 days to dry?! not en processed hair
ClassicDiva33: Not holiday hearts hair?!!! great review..thanks!
Ursula Erich: I ordered 4 bundles and a frontal from them. Curly. I fell in love BUT I only washed it twice and wore it once. My frontal was matted ALL THE WAY TO THE ROOT. I’m furious. And I’m so happy I’m not the only one with this experience. Buying a new frontal from a different site to replace their trash. Even emailed them, no response. Literal bundles came out of my frontal. The bundles themselves? Fantastic.
Sisters Channel: I’ve been searching for good quality hair for about 3 months now! Why can’t I just find some good hair?!
the legend: so glad i watched before i went to that website. the girls be lyingggg!
Frenchè Marron: Which companies do you recommend for an every wear
kallahari: Hi i just recieved my kinky curly wig 3 days ago and i saw imeditately that it wasn't good hair. It looks cheap it felt cheap it wasn't densed properly and the cap is probably sizes xxS I want to return it and get my refund but these people fail in giving me a return address or instructions, they're dragging this thing. I am not satisfied at all, it's simple and clear so just give me my money back that's all i'm asking
Rattle snake chick: Like mama said if it sounds too good to be true it usually is I use she's happy hair and by the glue and glue the wefts and at last quite a long time as long as you put the glue on it I highly recommend she's happy hair
Melaninxo. Sugar: Y’all just be lying frl I had hair from there for 3 months installed right and then still to this day had the wig for 7 months for a work wig hair was still curling and getting wet
The Shug Show: Swear I just finally tried Nadula hair and it had these qualities
Chelsey Sadé: i was just about to buy this same wig cause my birthday is just around the corner. im gladddd i looked up reviews & yours was the first. Do you know any good wig company's ???
Rayna Darnell: Gurrrrllllll I thought I was the only one who got some jacked up hair. I bought 3 wigs from them and displeased with all 3.
mae chanel: i just ordered hair from beauty forever and i’m very scared now, because i just spent $250 on this hair if it’s bad istg it’s going right back
Diamond K: I think some people don’t realize that on some of them sites they have hair that’s remy.. so that’s not virgin hair...plus you get what you pay for. If the hair cheap it’s Gona act like cheap hair aka Matt up. That’s why i just stopped waistline money.. just buy ya good shit for $400
Ashanti World: My friend brought a wig from them and it last her 6 months
TheKristend87: Thank you so much for posting some truth. I almost bought this hair today, but your video review came up. SO glad I watched it!! Do you have any reccos for a better place to get hair. Looking for bundles. TY!!
Kay's Kave: I should have watched this video before my purchase. I purchased a wig last night.
Lol: The part where she said a long periodically time...
Ashley Warner: what hair company is the hair you are wearing in this video? do you have any suggestions for a good place to purchase virgin hair?
CourtneyAlexC: "A long periododically amount of time" ... Spell check almost slapped the s*** out of me for typing that in... I didn't even get the option to save that to my dictionary
Bettys Salmon: Hi. Can you update your Azul hair review please to say if it lasted? Thanks. You are a honest reviewer so I would be great to have an update before any if us waste our money. Thank you.
Bria Bliss: No issue for me been wearing their hair for 4 years you must got a bad batch
Queenmemster: What’s a good website to buy from then ?
Angie's Louisiana Cooking: Hey Beautiful! Do you have a lace on now? If so who’s it by? Its gorgeous...
LeicysWorld: Wish I would have seen your video before ordering mines this company is a piece of shit my hair feels and smells like plastic I let the hair air dry over night the next morning it looks like somebody had a fight with it I contacted the company and they had the nerve to tell me I don’t know how to take care of it when it came to me that way
Kayla Marchbanks: Are the bundles pretty dark I have medium to dark brown hair and wonder if I should dye my leave out or not ??
Joy Green: The worst hair company I ever ordered from hair is trash
Glazed Beauty: Not Holiday Heart! That clip took me out!!
Don'tcha Just Love Em' I Do: I just bought v wig waiting on them to come
Shamaria Lovee: The only time it’ll shed is if you don’t take care of it. You have to take care of these type of wigs because they are really soft & expensive. I ordered a curly wig from beauty forever & it was perfectly fine until I didn’t took care of it
90210Kd: Brought the hair. Sheds like crazy and I ordered 180 and it was not at all. The color took to the hair and it tangles. Would not buy again.
alphia flavien: I was about to order that same wig THANKS LORD....black sister please don't let does people use u all to scram YOUR BLACK SIS
K Aging well in the real world: What brand do you recommend?
Alicia NEE: I purchased this hair b4 and it’s a no for me also!!