#1019 - Natural Hairstyle Responds To Crazy Stylist Fees (Pregnancy Fees, Parting Fees, Travel Fees)

So, let's go ahead and um get started with the top vote of the night, which is um, so i'm very shocked at what is going on in 2022 concerning the whole hair stylist community, and so what kind of prompted this video is um? I am aloho. She had posted something on her community feed um asking people. Were there she's been sitting in the dark under arrest, and so i read the thread and the lady's a stylist and she's saying if you have a problem paying my 40 pregnancy fee, don't ask me to do your hair, simple 100. So somebody replies back to her and they're like what's the 40 pregnancy fee. If i may ask so the stylist ariana bowling replies back and she says dominique. If you want to do that to 120 dollars, you pay an extra 40. That'S what it is so dominique says, but only if you're pregnant, then she replies back and she says ella. Well, i'm pregnant with twins, i'm almost nine months and i'm still working laughing but serious. When i have the twins, i will no longer have an extra fee. I'M big as [ __ ] and i'm still doing my [ __ ], it's just an extra fee for me. Getting up braiding sewing styling. All that so then dominique could play oh wow abbreviations. I had no idea, that's what that meant. I thought there were typos and plus you don't need to be working at nine months with twins mama, but you got to get your bread and they should all understand, especially since you're pregnant. Then ariana replies back and says: that's all it is, and some i'll still get them in, because i'm understanding as [ __ ]. So when i saw that i was very shocked, one, the sense of entitlement, you know i'm saying: if you want to service, you want me to do your hair, there's a 40 feet. That was never there, i'm sorry, but your pregnancy ma'am is between you and the guy who knocked you up, who i'm assuming is either your husband, your boyfriend or your baby, daddy? That is his fee to take care of okay. That is your child's father. I wasn't there when i made these twins, i shot, i wasn't joining in the action, so why am i not in charge for a pregnancy that you chose to take on this doesn't make any sense to me just think about it. Like this, i see some people saying well she's a hustler, that's what's up, i just want to say just look at how many people was like complacent and cool with it, though it was like. Oh yeah, you know. I understand you praying that you got to get your breath cysts like so as as crazy as it is that all these people are saying. Oh, this is outrageous. This is crazy. There'S still people that support these stylists and their fees and will pay it. So it's just like we can be all the upset and outrage and make all these videos, but at the end of the day, if you continue to support these people, these businesses, these crazy ass fees - i mean what do you want me to do? You want me to be pissed off about it. I can't be pissed and y'all going and painting this [ __ ], but you know what this is also, why i tell hairstylists, don't under charge yourself, because, even though it's a lot of people around you, it's like i ain't gon na pay for that girl. You used to charge this, why you charging so much now it's going to be somebody out there, that's going to pay what you charge so charge your worth, because somebody out there is going to appreciate it and pay for it. Yeah um this lady said this is her. You know her beautician's booking site, just listen to this rules, 15 late fee after 15 minutes after 25, your appointment will be canceled and your deposit will not be returned. Number two, after 25 minutes dollar and 46 cents non-refundable deposit goes towards your service is required to book with us. Only 40 goes towards your appointment. You must manually, cancel your appointment via the accuracy scheduling link within 48 hours in advance in order for your deposit to be used for a future appointment. If you cancel your appointment in less than 48 hours before your appointment, then you will pay a new deposit in order to book. Again i mean that's fair, that's fair! Three! If you book with us after 10 p.m, for a 6 a.m. Appointment that same morning, we may not be able to start right at 6 a.m with the latest. Maybe 6. 45 a.m. 4.. If you are okay, i don't know about that. Uh wait! What picky have a bad attitude to bring bad stress to my business, because you are not clear with what you want. We will not service you. Your deposit will be forfeited. That'S a bit um! That'S a bit! Much that that's a bit! I'M like! Damn all these rules with the with the deposits and the late fees and the no call no shows - i i think, it's reasonable. So i get that um. There was a time in a place where our salon, we tried the whole no deposits thing. It didn't work out, it just doesn't work out. It'S like at this point. In this day and age you got ta have deposits, because if you don't like people will literally just call making an appointment just because they can and did not show - and you set aside that time for that person. And then, if you and then when you miss out on money and then you decide, you know what i'm not gon na do the deposits i'm just gon na take walk-ins. But then, when y'all go to the salon and y'all sitting there for 30 minutes an hour, then you got a problem with that. So it's like there's almost no winning with people. So if you don't really like the whole rules with the deposits, you can't have it both ways. You can't say i want an appointment, but i don't want to deposit or i want to be able to just walk in and get my hair done, but i don't want to sit there and wait. You can't have it both ways like we got ta meet halfway and the deposit just keeps people um accountable. As far as like hair appointments go because i'm gon na be i'm gon na, be honest, i've been seriously pissed off. It was like one week where i had three uh straw sets scheduled like every day back to back to back and then straw says take like four or five hours, so i would block off that four to five hours and like none of them, people showed up And i'm like, are you [ __ ] serious, like i could have booked like two people within each of those services made that money like twice as much and these people didn't even show up so again, i'm stressing the deposits, but all this other extra [ __ ], that's a little too much for me, but yeah the whole uh, bad energy, bad attitude, you picky or whatever um you just don't have customer service and like how you you could just decide like nah. You ain't getting your deposit back, because i don't like the way you talking to me. I feel like you too picky. I feel, like you, don't know what you want like, but from sync. So i found that very interesting, but there's so many threads. I'M going to read some of them to you um this person says the disconnect between black women and hairstylist is beyond me. Charging me extra for the thickness of my hair charging me for the inconvenience fee, because i'm asking, if i could use if i could use the hair, i already have, instead of just saying no charging late fees, but they are the ones who are late. And i get that and another thing that i do. I hold myself accountable. So if i have you pay a deposit and i schedule your appointment and let's say your appointments at nine o'clock and i'm like oh [, __ ], it's it's um! 8. 45. I'M just waking up i'm running late and it takes me 30 minutes to get to the salon and your appointment's at nine and it's as it's 9 30 or it's 10 o'clock, and i'm just getting there. I'M going to deduct from my service for the inconvenience of having you wait just like, if you had me, wait you're to have to pay an additional fee for having me wait. Setting me back and like now, you're messing up my whole scheduling after the fact, because now i'm going to be running behind with all of my clients after the fact, so i hold myself to the same standard that i hold my clients. I feel, like styles, got to hold themselves accountable, like the same way that they hold these these clients, but yeah. Everybody is different if you don't like how people operate a business. One leave um, and this is, if you go to their uh place of business and you uh patron it leave a review. People don't want to leave reviews, no more um, don't support their business and that's it. It'S funny how people be complaining about all these stylists, but then you go and look at all these stylist page and they got all the math followers. They got all the the clout and everything that comes with being these, these amazing styles or whatever. But then you got stylists like me myself, the green thumb salon some other natural styles and things like that, and we don't get that same energy from folks. So it's like, i feel, like a lot of people, be hyping these folks up and then, when they get like the [, __ ] lack of professionalism. Then it's like. Oh my god, like what the [ __ ], like i expected more from them like. Well, i don't know, i think it's crazy too, but if you feel like it's crazy, don't support these people and it's as simple as that somebody else says now. This one went viral. Somebody else says as a stylist. Why are you charging me extra to style? My hair, like it's, not your job, so a stylist responds back and says it is literally about time. What'S not clicking with y'all one client may want curls one may want straightening. One may prefer to wash her own hair. If i spend two hours on you, i spend three hours on the next client. Of course, the three-hour client pays more, but then look look at how how many reshares, how many likes this got versus how many reshares and how many likes this got. This is exactly what i'm talking about. Everybody wants to undervalue stylists, but then, when, when stylists start to hold themselves to their worth and charge, what they worked in everybody complains it's kind of the same thing like a tattoo think of a tattoo artist. You going there for a little tattoo, that's going to probably be a little bit cheaper. You go for a big tattoo. That'S going to take some time to actually do now. I'M not saying yeah, i'm not saying that um! You know you got to charge based on hair type, because i think that's where they're going in this direction like oh, if you got forced care, then i got to charge you 50 extra, i'm not saying that. But what i am saying is you need to charge for the amount of labor and work, that's going to go into the style that you're going to get. So if you charge yourself accordingly, it shouldn't be a problem, but then people complain. I'Ve literally had people say. Oh well, i have thick hair, so why do i have to pay more? I'M like well ma'am. The base price is 125.. So if you got more length, if you got thicker hair and it's going to take more work for me, then you need to pay more and she's like. Well, you don't charge less. If somebody has fine hair, i do [ __ ]. It'S called the base. [ __ ] price, like what are you talking about? If i got ta put in more work or the stock requires more uh complexity to it, then you pay more for the service and it's like you. You tell people this and they act like they don't understand what that means, and it's like well, if you don't want to pay me, what i'm worth then do this [ __ ] your own [, __, ] self and i'm sorry, i'm getting so passionate about this [ __ ], i'm getting heated and my heart rate is going up because i promise you being a hairstylist is one of the most undervalued professions ever and i'm not saying hairstyles are the only ones. You know we got nurses, we got um teachers, it's so many people, but i'm just like it is the [ __ ] is starting to hit the fan. Now. Stylists are charging more and people are complaining about that. They'Re, like oh well back in the day it used to be just thirty dollars for uh uh um. What is it called? A press and curl? Well, listen back then stylist was charging dirt. Cheap prices couldn't pay, their bills, couldn't pay. Their booth friend was [ __ ] miserable um had the overbooking to have five people in the salon at the same time, times have changed, things are different, people are charging their worth and it is what it is and if you don't want to pay for it, Don'T pay for it and if you, if you want to complain about it, then do your hair, your own [, __, ] self, it's like it's as simple, as that, like i don't want to keep rambling but, like i i understand like that. The fees and stuff is like outrageous, but again like it is what it is. Either you go, pay it or you're. Not is the extra charge for having 4c hair fair? Listen, i don't i i won't say it's not fair i'll say that when i look at somebody's hair and i look at the style that they want, i assess what how much work is going to go into doing said style. So i don't necessarily charge based on a hair type, because i don't even hair type like that, but um for a a stylist that may be more difficult, more work for them and they may feel like they need to charge more. Because of that and it's either. You feel like that's okay and you pay for it or you don't, but it's not really my place to say it's fair or not. Fair, because like for me, braiding without blowing out hair is normal for me, but for another styles they may feel like. Well, i can't do that, so i'm definitely gon na have to blow out their hair because their hair is too kinky for me to braid, so i'm gon na have to charge more. So it's it's different, like i think it's silly, that a lot of people can't braid without blowing out hair first, but that's just me, but everyone's not like me and everyone's, not at my level. So that's why i charge what i charge and they charge what they charge and whatever they charge, that's their business. I don't get into that, like i don't get into how other businesses do their um. You know their pricing policies and things like that. That'S not my place to to determine that so yeah, i don't i don't. I don't know if fair would be the right way to ask the question it's just like i say it just is what it is. If this woman want to charge for a pregnancy fee, it is what it is unless the law says this is illegal, it is what it is hold on. Let me say, i don't think foresee here is more difficult. They charge because they're not trying to do it. There'S no training for it like, let's be honest, there's there's no training for it and that's and that's my whole point with this with the whole licensing and everything like there's no license to do natural hair. There'S no license to teach you how to work with foresee. Here or whatever the case is so you can't hold somebody's pricing accountable when there's no legality behind it to back it up, so it's kind of impossible to say well, this is discrimination. This isn't when it literally could just be. This is more work for me as a person handling. This type of texture like that could be the case, but if there's no law that stipulates that this isn't legal, then it is what it is it like. If you go go to a certain type of stylist like, for instance, if you go into the africans and you were expecting five star service - [ __ ], i'm gon na look at you crazy, because everybody knows how the african braided salons get down and the african Brain salon has been consistent throughout all these [ __ ] years. They haven't changed they're gon na eat over your head, they're gon na have their baby doing your hair. They might be breastfeeding and braiding at the same time like that's just what it is, so you can't be mad at the african brain i'm just saying like does that make it? Okay, i'm not saying it's. Okay, i'm just saying like we. We have to know what to expect going into some of these styluses chairs, because, if you're going to somebody and doing hair out, they live room, the standard doing hair out the living room is going to be different from them doing it out of the salon. I'M i'm just looking at both sides here, i feel like. If we gon na hold stylists accountable, we got to also hold these clients and these consumers accountable too. Somebody else says these stylists be having me [ __ ] up one of them charging a traveling fee. It varies by what borough so there's somebody in new york, forty dollars for four forty dollars for far rockaway and you live in brooklyn. Why did you need a full tank of gas? No damn? Well, you could probably take the train out here. Y'All, it's a lot! It'S a lot going on. No, i would probably charge a traveling fee too. I don't know about the burrows and stuff. I don't know how that should work, but i i would charge a traveling fee too. If i was traveling to do your hair like again like it's crazy to me, you you, you want the convenience of somebody coming to your [ __ ] house, but then you don't want to pay for it. This is the [ __ ], i'm talking about the people are entitled and they don't want to pay for the basic ass [ __ ]. You want somebody to come to your house and do your hair, but you don't want to travel to them and they complain about a a traveling fee. [ __ ] pay the [ __ ] or don't get your hair done these hair styling streets that i didn't know about you, [ __ ]. These downstairs it's these damn clowns. One of us nah is 275 for a metric. Well then, take your ass to her [ __ ] house. Then that's what i was saying. She'S trying to parting pardon is an videos charge [ __ ]. She got all of about 150 strands on the back of her neck and you needed all that [ __ ] problem just to get a straight [ __ ] line get the [ __ ] out of here. I i don't know how the hell you have a parting fee and you can't do any style without parting hair, so that [ __ ] is ridiculous. That'S some [ __ ]. I would take somebody to court for that's just me so yeah. I definitely agree that [ __ ] is [, __ ] crazy, a bit disgusting you're charging somebody to part their hair, and you can't enough, i'm tripping and you can't party part of the style if i'm coming to you for braids. That is how you braid what you gon na do just do a crooked part. If i don't pay the extra money for partying. My only thing is: where is the line draw, or is it that just dollars can charge extra for whatever they please and then clients pick and choose, or should it be some form of regulations for what you can and can charge extra for just thinking out loud? I don't know the right answer here: here's the right answer, a lot of these people. A lot of these stylists and braiders are doing here illegally. So when you do [ __ ] illegally, you don't follow [ __ ] by the books. A lot of these styles are braided and doing hair and not paying taxes, they're, braiding and doing hair and styling hair and laying these weeks and weaves and all of this and they're not licensed and they're supposed to be licensed. So those things are regulated. So when you go to a salon, it is expected for you to receive a service under senate um, proper sanitation and infection control procedures that is mandated by their state board license. So that's why i'm saying when you go to a salon, expect a certain standard of professionalism and service than when you go to one of these braiders sitting in their living room, but a lot of them they're doing hair illegally they're, not paying taxes they're, not reporting Their income, that's why they have you paying on cash up and under the under the the table. Whatever so, and that's that's my thing, they can charge whatever they want to charge because it's under the table and because a lot of people will pay for that convenience with of not going to the whole full-blown salon experience. I just want to get my hair done. I just want to be able to come in and get my hair braided for the low low. That'S what you're paying for that's what you're going to get there's a reason why people continue to go to the african braided slimes, even though we all know the african braided slides snatch out. All your hair will give you a [, __, ], headache, um, it's so [ __, ], uncomfortable the surface is unprofessional as [ __ ], because somebody is willing to deal with all of that. Yes, stylists can literally tax and charge whatever they want to charge for just like any other company. Can it doesn't necessarily cost uh sony 60 [ __ ] dolls to build this [ __ ] controller. This [ __ ] is nothing for but [ __, ] plastic and [ __ ] uh internal [, __ ], like this [ __ ], probably only cost like maybe 25 to [ __ ] make, but it don't cost 60, but that's they can charge it over. The [ __ ] they want to charge because of sony and who gon na complain about it. It is what it is either. I want the [ __ ] sony controller, i'm like nah, this [ __ ] to a [, __ ], expensive, i'm getting an offering and the offering might break a little quicker than the damn sony would. But that's what the [ __ ] i signed up for when i said i don't want to pay the full price. I wanted something cheaper. I you know, i i don't care about the brand, that's what i signed up for when i say: okay, i'm gon na get the cheaper controller. It is. It is what it is. What you can do as a consumer is be ahead of the [ __ ] and not put yourself in compromising situations. So if you try to book with a stylist - and you see their list of rules and fees is unreasonable, don't book with that person, don't book with that stylist! Do your research first! This is your money that you are. You worked hard for so make sure your money is going to a place in a business and a person that you are comfortable and secure with and now before, y'all think it's just greedy black women. You know what i'm saying before you think it's just black stylist! You know tripping and trying to get over and this and that it's also happening in the white stylist community, i'm recently a white hair stylist she was drunk, but you know what it's funny, though we all we are complaining about this right. We all complain about this, but then, when we start talking about gina curl crickets crickets, she can charge whatever she want to charge, she's the only one that has her own line of gina curl. So again i i agree she can charge whatever the [ __ ]. She want to charge and people going to continue to pay whatever the [ __ ]. They want to uh pay for because for them, that's the value that they get out of that service. They want to be bi-racial, they want to hide their blackness, so they go to gina so that she can uh make them look bi-racial and give them a puerto rican curl. I bet you ain't. Nobody bringing gina curl up in this comment section over twitter for charging. Nineteen hundred dollars, okay for a hairstyle. Basically, this lady is now charging by the hour and they're saying more and more stylists are doing this where they're charging people by the hour, so she charged nineteen hundred fifty dollars almost two thousand dollars for a cut in color. Her name is jasmine, i don't know. Let me go back to a hairstyle. Is charging about an hour hour for color correction 825 in total girl, [ __ ], you almost two thousand dollars for a cut in color. Her name is jasmine, and so she was facing criticism because her tick, tock video went viral when she reported that she charged that client that much money which is a down payment on a car, that's somebody's mortgage. Why would you charge somebody that much money for a cut in color? So then she posted another video in response and was like well if y'all are mad at that y'all gon na be mad at this video, because i charge this person two thousand dollars for a 13 hour process. I don't i mean i did not think my last post was going to make so many people mad with how many times, but i think this one's going to make you oh she's, got a matter on her shirt and color and style. Somebody'S hair hell yeah 13 hours. For that see, i don't know what goes into this hair color hold up. Oh yeah, i mean i i mean i don't. I wouldn't charge that much, but that's because my skill set as a hair, colorist ain't up to par, but if that's what she feels she worth, and you know what you get into some like signing up for it then like who. Why are we upset? Why are we upset that's what she charged? That'S what she knew she signed up for she got her hair done, she's happy with it. So why are we princesses or 1 500 pounds to get your hair done and that hairdresser can't even manage to not get bleach on the entire sleeve? She claimed it was a tutorial yeah. She better. She better, buy me a new shirt. She yeah. She need to buy me a shirt and style somebody's hair when back in the day, this was literally maybe a six-hour job. If that you know when we're paying somebody by the girl, that's expensive. No, it's not expensive. You just broke [ __ ], that's it um! I haven't heard too many people admit that they paid two thousand dollars for hair color, but i wouldn't be surprised. It seems like a lot of styling yeah. I wouldn't pay that much for it either. I i would just keep my natural black. That'S just me. I i agree with you: what happens the point of being a good stylist is to have repeat customers. You don't want a customer to come one time and pay 400. You want that repeat person. That'S going to come in once or twice a month consistently. You know. That'S the type of clientele you want to build and if you're charging fees for party you know you're not going to build that strong clientele - and i don't know if it's part of this whole social media instagram. I don't know sis cause these styles stay booked. I mean the business advice is cute, but it's working for them.