Colorism On Real Housewives Of Potomac? Ft @Lailahlynntv @Nikkistartv @Thebrookeashley #Rhop #Bravo

Make it make sense, because somebody please make it make sense, what's up everybody, it's make. It make sense. I'M here for another video. I guess this is like my second mems and friends. So I have a very special panel here. I have the most fabulous Brooke Ashley. Hey hey, I put my ratchet tequila in Crystal in honor of her Star TV. She has been one of my faves for years. I troll her comments. All the time and you'll find me there she's very scared to read my comments and we have Layla Lynn the goat, the blueprint. I thought it was important to do this panel with beautiful black women because oftentimes. I think that they are not appreciated the way that they should be oftentimes. I think that we forget just how strong they have had to historically be, and you know these are some of my faves. I did get a lot of questions about how fair the panel will be. I did invite one of my other friends he's biracial. He just could not make it, but we are going to kill it tonight. I will be doing another panel open to you guys um as long as everybody can be respectful. So but tonight I'm not gon na drop the link. I want to start with what colorism is so colorism is defined as Prejudice or discrimination against individuals with a dark skin tone, typically among people of the same ethnic or racial group. So before we kick it off, did anybody want to say anything? Okay, all right, I told them everybody's welcome to share personal stories. If you are one of my subscribers, you know I don't mind going deep and I don't mind sharing. So you all know I grew up in Louisiana and people are like well. Has he ever experienced colorism I've experienced it directly uh the earliest time I can remember a colorist issue was, I must have been about maybe four or five, and I was told by an authority figure that I needed to come in from outside, because I was getting Too, dark - and I didn't really at that age - realize what that meant, but I knew that I needed to come inside that house yeah yeah, because I was gon na get dark now the dark mean that I was gon na kill over and roll over and die. No, nobody told me anything, they just said, that's not what you want to be so. The when I heard giselle's tagline say the secret to this. Pretty face is staying out of the shade it hit me I was like. Did they not? You know check this out. Did anybody say maybe this is not a good look? Did anybody else have any feelings about her tagline? Well, I think uh to start. I because with Potomac Potomac, is getting a lot of we're talking about it a lot and it's getting a little frisky right, but I think because a lot of people came to Potomac after the fight like a lot of people, don't realize that Potomac was the paper Bag test show like they were. It was built off of colorism, so I think they knew exactly what they were saying when they gave Giselle that tagline and they play up off it on they play up off of colorism on this show, because that's what they've been doing from day one, I think Now that more people are watching it, people are starting to interact with it and not really, you know it was just like. I can't believe this. A kind of a show like this is on TV, but I'm like that's what Potomac was like they're, not changing their formula. This is super told me because all ways been so I think they knew exactly what they were doing when uh Giselle with giselle's tagged, because that is Potomac Layla did you have any thoughts yeah? I tend to agree because it goes back to the casting. I'Ve always felt that it was cast that way, because it was cast um. Where I want to say it was six. Ladies um five out of the six were, I would call it racially ambiguous from a distance like when they used to run the previews. It was kind of like. Are these black women? These white women like what's going on here, just from a distance, and if you remember when they first started the show they would talk about it like Gisele, would say that you know from a distance, um and sometimes even up close people do think. She'S, a white woman until she starts speaking so I do feel like it was a it was casting away to where it was majority, um, lighter skin or biracial women for a reason like I feel like production is behind it. They cast it that way. For a reason: um, okay, Brooke did you have anything on that? Well, I think that it's interesting that you point out the taglines, the cat. That doesn't surprise me with Giselle, and also you have to remember that Potomac was not supposed to be a Housewives franchise. They were originally supposed to be about Jack and Jill mothers, because they're all in Jack and Jill, except for Ashley and so um, Jack and Jill, got wind of it and they sent out a cease of desist letter. And they said you cannot talk about her organization or we will sue. Bravo so at the last minute. Andy didn't want to scrap the footage because they spent all this money on the show. So they said: okay, let's just turn them into a Housewives franchise because think about it. They wouldn't make Potomac a housewife City that wasn't they're not on their radar, like that, you know what I'm saying they would have just done DC again or they would have picked another city so because they already had the footage they said. Okay, let's just do turn them into housewise franchise, and that's also why, for the first season, it was all about etiquette and manners, and you know I would I was in Jack and Jill. So I know all about it. You know so growing up as a dark-skinned girl in Jack and Jill. I have stories for days, but I just think that it's funny, because the taglines and what they were talking about in the earlier Seasons, it all ties into the colorism that we see today. I was also in Jack and Jill and hot beans, but I was the broke one. Oh okay, that was so oh wow, oh no, so I definitely get it um. I feel like um, I'm not trying to take over, but I did see a comment from islatasha who's asking to um for one of us to explain what Jack and Jill is Okay, so I always feel not. I don't want to say weird explaining it because there's no like great way to say it, but it's for it's like a social club, because we couldn't get into the country clubs right back in the day. So it was founded by a black mom in the 50s and it's for I guess you would say you guys: Don't Kill the Messenger, I'm just explaining what it is all right, but it's considered a social group for wealthy Elite, well-to-do, African Americans. So on my chapter, everybody's dad was, you know my dad was a lawyer: um investment bankers, doctors um, I guess the High Society of the of of the black community um, and with that I you know there is some colorism there, um yeah, but it's a social Group for the elite of the black community - okay, that that's the best way I can put it and it's like the it's like a high school version of a Frack, but it's boys and girls. Yes, boys and girls, and it's also you have to be invited in you can't just join. I was smart but broke same here, oh and I think I was invited. I feel like my friend and her family invited me, but I was not able to do it. Oh okay, like somebody tapped your parents, because a family will tap your pants and say: oh, I think you'd be great for Jack and Jill. Let me recommend you put in a word so, like a secret society, if you will and on the surface it makes sense right. You want your children to network with other well-to-do children or other like people that are on the come up, or movers or shakers or really smart and stuff like that. So I don't. I definitely would never hate. On Jack and Jill. I made some great connections along the way and top teams as well. So I got a couple of super chats, but I'll do those a little bit later because we started a little bit late. But I see my friends in here: hey Scotty, hey Gabor! I see, I see you guys um. This is something that I think that is extremely important in this type of conversation and it's being unaware that you potentially hold the bias, and I want to say that I was guilty of that as well. So, on the first couple of Seasons, the conversations always shifted to race and it was always about Ashley being biracial and Katie being biracial, and it was coming from too light. -Skinned, green-eyed women and as horrible as it is to say, although it was annoying, it wasn't. The worst thing in the world when they harassed these women about their race. But so what are you today? Katie Blacky White um Katie? We talked about you being black and white, and now you sporting that Jackson, 5 afro when I saw Ashley all I saw, was a bush and we all know that she that's she wears her natural hair. I think that was one that really disgusted me. Oh, it was you invited us here around these Jewish people and they don't like you news flash. They don't like you and I remember Giselle beating this like like. She really went overboard with these things and I will say that it was annoying, but it it was not as impactful enough for me to stop watching the show. Now I challenge everybody who says that there is no colorism to think of it. This way, if windy or Candice had asked a biracial woman, what are you today, black or white, I feel like you, don't want to be black? What would the response have been to that, and I mean that that question's open to anybody on the panel Leila? Do you want to start on that? One uh? I think it would have been like a terrible response from both the cast excuse me and the audience watching. I think they would have flipped it on them like. Why are you asking about their race and I think they would start asking them um about their skin color and their background? I think it would have got totally flipped on them, but also at the same time, um. I don't feel like Wendy, nor Candace would approach them like that. Yes, and not just based on color, but just based on personality. I don't think they would approach them like that. Yeah Nikki, I see you popping at the [ __ ]. No would never asked anything like that because, even if they wanted to, they know how they'll be treated like we are dark as a person you just moved throughout the world and in your community certain way, because you know that, no matter what you do, everybody will Meet you with aggression first, so I don't even think that they would say anything like that, even if they wanted to um, and when you were speaking, I was thinking about uh Robin and we were when they were going back and forth with who's this and who's. That, like the earlier Seasons that that woman had to get a 23andMe because they were just like you're, not fully black you're, not you know you're, because she was going after Ashley and Katie, who are the biracial, women and saying. Well, you are not black and Katie was like. Well, neither are you, and so she had to go and do a 23andMe and found out that she was. I guess, what I think more white than she was black like 40 or something like that. You don't look like that. You didn't come straight out of Africa. I think that was the question went and did that, and that was a big thing on the show like that could never happen today, but I think so many people that watch the show now forget that that is what Potomac is like. It'S always like. Colorism is not new on this show it was built. The show was built off of that like this, this is who Potomac is it's not new Brooke did you have any um? I think that in the beginning, I think that Giselle was trying to paint Katie out as being a self-hating by racial person. That was always the vibe that I got so I think a lot of people felt that way too. So that was why there wasn't any backlash of why Gisele was grilling, Katie, so badly um. I don't really think that they got on Ashley about her being biracial in the first season. I think that they just thought that she was just this young girl who was just annoying with this old guy. Like I didn't, I feel like they didn't really respect and she didn't care about her like that, but for some reason they just had this bone. To pick with Katie, they felt that she was whitewashed, didn't like being half black and they wanted to call her out on it um it kind of felt like they were over, compensating since people probably questioned you know their ethnicity and their raise because of their complexion. That'S the that's just the vibe that I got season one, but I just brushed It Off off. I was like okay, I mean I guess this is their storyline because they have nothing else to talk about. Then I guess that's it um. Hopefully, season two is better, but those are the Vibes that I got. I got a couple of super chats. Um, Sherry says we're here, good boy, oh, my friend must have shared this. Thank you so much Shane for the Super Chat. Uh memes coming through with the Hot Topic and I'm here for it. Thank you so much sassy girl. I appreciate it. I saw a couple more Layla. Is the blueprint Trent? Thank you so much. What'S up Trent people celebrities in these comment sections um Angela, like the video subscribe. Thank you so much Angela. I appreciate that the Vixen on Wheels Andrew gregora, Mims, Nikki, Brooke and Layla hey. Google is like one of my YouTube besties and real life. Friends um. I think oh train again, he says if Karen is not called out, there really is no need for a colorist conversation Layla. Take it away, oh wow, why why me so I've seen I've watched your videos before and Trent has been in there. So I know you know Trent and what train okay, yeah yeah, I love Trent. I love train. I also love Karen. I love Mother, Karen um, I don't know if he's referring to there was a thought that when Karen said Wendy is not Potomac, I believe it was the season before last, but she said, Wendy is not Potomac and Giselle exposed that Karen didn't want Wendy on the Show either, even though she didn't say that on camera, I think there was a thought that Karen might have had something against Wendy when she said she's, not Potomac, people were wondering if it was her skin color that made her not Potomac. That might be what he's referring to, but Trent. If you switch what you're referring to see, that's why I said Layla professional, remember that, but that hit me they didn't hit me in colorism. It hit me in xenophobia, like that's what that's what I felt like, I felt like she was trying to say like she's, not this group, because the her culture is different and I and I kind of feel like I don't know if that conversation like that happened With the cast or whatever, but something shifted, because Wendy is very different about what she shares culturally now than when we first were introduced to her. So I don't know if that is what uh Trent is speaking about, but I I do. I do remember that, and it did feel like they were othering her because of her difference in culture. In my opinion, I'll say that I I also remember that it also hit me, but I think that Karen just felt like Wendy wasn't attractive. I think that that's what she thought. I think that the producers kind of played up on that when they would show Wendy's body prior to her getting her mommy makeover. I didn't like it because all of these, if you're smart you'll, have a glow up once you get infused with these checks, you will glow up. So I don't know know why they were on Windy. Like that, I'm like you all did it. Nobody looks the same. Everybody was wearing Charlotte, Russe and Catherines, not my girl. My wigs, like, let's not play, I love Karen, but when we're talking when we're talking glow up Karen has had one of the best blow-ups of any housewife franchise. Just saying it money is, I always say this, and this might be bad, but we don't watch Potomac for money affluence. Well, those things are not necessarily why people watch Potomac they've, not so for Wendy to be an accomplished professor and to be told that you don't belong here it. You know I get angry. Sometimes talking about this show but uh you know woosa. I digress while we're on Wendy's looks. One thing that I picked up on was the fact that Wendy did exactly what the majority of these women do. She got a check. She got something redone right like her before and afters they're they're out there for the world to see. I think I have a picture of them, but what was funny about Wendy's glow up was, she was told she must be insecure. I don't get insecurity from Wendy before the body after the body, her family is solid. Her relationship is solid. She is accomplished why this is what I take as a colorism issue. Why is it that Wendy is considered insecure, but Mia is not and they have had similar surgeries except well? Technically, no Mia has had everything done, except for her feet. Okay has been done, foreign she's upfront about it. She'S had a lot of work done, but why is it that the light-skinned woman is just considered? Oh, you know she just did whatever but Wendy when she does it. That'S not her. What woman doesn't want to look nice? What you there are surgeries there for anybody and everybody Wendy getting a surgery does not mean that she's, insecure she's on camera um and it's the status quo for these shows Brooke. Do you want to start um? I personally think that is colorism with a mix of jealousy because people like you know, you know that old saying you know people like to see you do good, just never better than them, because when he thought that she was in competition for them looks wise. It was you know: okay, no you're right here, but now it's like okay, we step in the room together and now I'm turning heads and I'm breaking next and now you don't like that and Giselle is one of those people where she can't stand if she's, not The one getting the attention she's very threatened by other women, and I think that that was why she was trying to tear her down like okay, you know now: Wendy has really glowed up. Wendy looks amazing. The checks cleared yeah, you see her with the Van Cleef and our pale matching set the Cartier love bracelet hair done like it Perkins the new Range Rover. They can't take, can't take it uh Nikki. Well, yeah. I actually, I absolutely agree with um with what Brook said, because it's it's one thing right for another woman in a group to get it, but when an undesirable gets it when an undesirable is getting any attention, what an undesirable is looking better like they, they snap And I don't think they know that we can see it right because they'll all be on their Instagrams or whatever and saying oh, no, we're not colors, it was just like we have the receipts, we see how you respond to Wendy and we see how you respond To Ashley like it's there, it's very very obvious, because we have two dark-skinned women on the show and every time they speak y'all ready to rock them like out of nowhere like we see it, it's just it's clearly evident, and I think it's just because an undesirable Is doing better and when you are from when you live in a community when you are a part of a community when you're part of a society that tells you that those people who look like that are not worthy and do not deserve nice things, but they Still get them, you feel some sort of way about that if you've been taught that your entire life - and I think that's exactly what happened. That'S that's exactly what happened. I think every dark-skinned woman when like when it starts. We see it because we go through it. Like you see it right away, Layla did you have anything to add to that um just on the word insecure, because that is a word that they seem to use to the brown women on the show like specifically to Candace and to Wendy, and I feel like They use that word insecure, almost like gaslighting, you know what I mean. You know how gaslighting like people flip it like. It'S, not me, it's you and I feel like that's what they do to them like. Oh, it's, not us treating you a certain way. It'S just your insecurities like you're extra sensitive because you're insecure, but they're only doing what they're doing to the darker girls on the show yeah. You know what I mean um. I got a couple more Super chats. Thank you so much candy shop. I appreciate you supporting the channel another Atlant she's, another ATL girl, um, two black housewives says Gisele. Storyline is always harassing other people, no storyline from season one. I agree. Thank you so much cute black housewife. That'S such a cute name. Yes, I love it. I love it. Trent is not playing Trent says she called Cal. The help called Candace threatening and said. Wendy did not impress her. How she sure did Trent brings facts. Yeah, Trenton, yeah, don't impress you, but that's your soul. Roy like since, when do y'all talk like that about each other in public. That'S what I said Gabor says Karen said: Wendy did not have the right look yep. She said that. Thank you so much to the Super Chat, Gabor um, hey, mems and panel love. The discussion please hit the like button. Okay, my people are really showing out. Yes, y'all hit the like button. We do have all staff melanin popping about um Charisse, I'm from Cherry Williams, Felder I'm from Maryland and Wendy is Potomac, Dr Esquire, Etc. Thank you Sherry. I appreciate that uh bookie 20.. Oh, thank you! Pookie um! That'S the interesting name, who's calling you Booky, okay, uh social step, says donation to me. Oh okay, I had fun. We have to be appropriate tonight. We have company y'all, we have company. Thank you! So much for the super sticker uh. I think okay and I just want to say real quick. I love when you do those little little inserts you're doing your videos, the gifts or whatever I love those. I love them. Elise says: hey man, Layla Brook and Nikki love all of you, and this is the perfect panel for this combo. Thank you so much Elise. We love you guys too child. Let'S call the thing. A thing Mia has the same problem with Wendy. That Ashley has, with Candace they're mad that these dark-skinned women are more accomplished, come from status and they can't take say that, thank you so much and while we're on there because we dropped bombs around here, I want you all to hear this audio. Oh Lord, I have like. I have an insane memory and I remembered this and I was like we're going to talk about this. I was going to do a whole. I was gon na. Do, oh Lord, I was going to do a whole video and it was going to be called um beautiful Nightmare and it was going to have giselle's picture and I was going to be doing all these different clips and stuff. But I want you guys to hear this because I think it's important it speaks to how they move the finish line, pretendous and Wendy every time this was so crazy and you guys can. Let me know if you remember this, I don't know where she thinks that I'm not intelligent. I uh so Robin used her degree to make a point, and not only did she do that Giselle co-signed her and said yep college grad. Did you graduate so why is it that when Wendy can say that times, four and she has the uh bills to prove it? Is it not okay? Why is she ferocious for talking about her degree, but Robin can use that as a point to put Karen down anybody. Hey y'all, remembered that, because I well listen, I I I want to talk about how the goal post has always move. I will say it absolutely is colorism, but I also think it is the dynamic of Giselle and Robin right. They protect each other, listen, they have their Alliance on the show, and that's just what happens with these reality. Tv shows, but I I think it's more a less uh. We can do this, but you cannot - and I think they do it to everyone on the show. It'S just more apparent when it's windy in Candace, because they go a bit farther than they would with other people, because they know that they're not protected, and I think that it's very obvious to us who are watching it now more than ever, because Wendy and Candace Aren'T reacting the way they should, in my opinion, they're pulling back and people are able to see what they're doing. But I I will say I think that Robin and Gisele does this to everyone but you're going to pick on people who you think are not protected. A bit more, you want to go after them a bit more if you think that nobody is looking out for them, but I can tell you this: if this whole cast comes back next season, oh they're, leaving windy and Candace alone, I feel like they've, learned their Lesson this season, I I think they're going to be cool next season after this one. I don't think Giselle has that Insight or foresight I think she's gon na be, I feel like she, I feel like she's gon na get it. If nobody else gets it Robin got it Robin got it yeah. Look at her Instagram. She has the comments limited she's, too afraid she was on her um reasonably Shady podcast. Talking about she's upset at the messages that she's been getting from people. People have been like sending her, I mean what now I don't condone this, but folks were sending her threats and stuff like that. She said that she was at uh, her son's basketball game and she heard some girls. I think in the bathroom talking about her. It was on her podcast the other day and she I guess she felt nervous. Like you know, I shouldn't feel nervous to step out of my home over a TV show, and I mean yeah, she shouldn't be nervous, but it's like again. You need to watch what you do and watch what you say and stop all this gaslighting and to be a grown woman trying to antagonize somebody else, but then calling you're calling the victim the antagonizer and then to whip out your phone. That was very, I couldn't believe she did that she does deserve all the backlash. Now I don't agree with the threats. Obviously she should be able able to walk. You know the streets freely and comfortably without worrying about that, but she cannot be surprised or upset at her at why people are angry at her. She cannot. She brought this on herself. I think that her Giselle and Mia all thought that we'd be on their side. They they just knew that we were not gon na like Wendy, because you know be honest. Wendy got very mixed reactions. Her first season on the show she got very mixed reactions. Last season people didn't really still care for her and then now people are finally warming up to her and they see that oh okay Wendy's, really not that bad. It'S actually really them. So I don't know. I think that maybe, if Robin does come back, maybe she'll stop the BS, but I think that Giselle is crazy enough to still keep this going because she's desperate for that check, because, besides the show were to end today, what does Giselle have to make some money? Let'S be real, look at yourself. No, what does Giselle have it took her anyway. She had that PT Cruiser that she was driving. Oh my God! Oh I listen. I absolutely agree. I I have to speak on Robin in the desperate right. I'M not going to say. I don't believe, because my thing is always believe women, I have to say with Robin since the show since, like they started being very interactive on social media. This is a pattern for her whenever Robin does something that the you know, something on the show that the fan base does not agree with, with all of a sudden she's getting death threats like that is her first go-to thing: it's it's big care and energy. To me, I'm not saying that that is not happening to her, but it is a coincidence that every time you are made accountable for something that you do all of a sudden, it's, let's not talk about what I did or how I harmed other people. Let'S talk about how everybody is trying to kill me and my family, I'm I'm just saying it's just it's a good coincidence that this happens every time Layla did you have any uh listen. I can't stand Robin on this show I feel like I met her in real life. I would not be able to stand her. I don't like followers, that's the thing I don't like followers and I feel like the women on The Housewives. You know. Andy has said that Housewives is kind of like a tongue-in-cheek name. It'S really about women who are doing something like women, who are a little bit lost up and I feel like she is like a weak woman, she's a follower. Whatever Giselle does. She does like Batman Robin that's how I feel about it. Gisele Robin - and I just I hate to see it. It triggers me watching this show um, because I just hate to see how she follows behind Giselle and that's, I feel, like that's part of the issue with the colorism on the show it leads to like a gang up. You know what I mean to where they're they're all following behind one person and um. You know kind of icing out other women and it's hard to watch. I would agree with that uh. I hope that they don't go full Basketball, Wives, to be honest with you, because I couldn't even finish watching basketball lives, and that was one of my favorite shows um Mona me says: thanks for this important live memes gorgeous panel she's talking about y'all, not me at Least, oh thank you Ali. I am uh wow wow. Could you guys talk about that? I thought it said 9.99 at first wow wow uh. She says: could you guys talk about the black community's reaction to ebony K Williams, talking about her Career Education versus Wendy's Wendy received just the negative reaction to her education and the community put on capes to defend ebony speaking in her education, um, so she's talking specifically About New York, I remember on the show specifically, somebody was calling all of the girls around the table. Hoes she kept saying: you're a hoe, you're a hoe, you're a hoe, you're a hoe and Ebony K. Williams said simply about you know: I'm the most educated person at the table and the white women at the table had a adverse reaction to this black woman, telling them that she was the most educated person at the table, even though she was yeah uh. Now the black community um does anybody else want to speak to that part of the question how the black community received it first Wendy, I think, because since she was ebony was on a cast with all white women, I think that's why we all you know broke Out the capes and, like you know how dare you this is racism. I can't believe this, whereas with Wendy it's an all-black cast, and I think it's just a different Dynamic there, where you, when you know it's just a different Dynamic and all black cast versus an all-white cast with one black woman on there um and remember a lot Of a lot of a lot I mean I talk to a lot of people and they do not like Wendy like a lot of a lot of our black fans, like I feel so badly. She gets so much hate for no reason, but a lot of people think that she's two that she's arrogant that she's annoying and I'm like what makes her more annoying than anybody else. And I I don't. I don't think that it's right that this beautiful dark-skinned black woman can't brag on herself and be proud of herself. Why does she have to cower and not be proud? And not? You know it's just weird to me, but I think that's the reason why there was such a difference between Wendy and Ebony on both of their shows Layla did you have anything to add just from Wendy reading Wendy's book? Well, let me start here I feel like with ebony, like you said, Brooke, with her being on a white cast, it's kind of like she's, representing black people representing black women, so we're cheering her on with Wendy's all black cast and then also with Wendy being Nigerian Um, I think that's the issue there like there's a little bit of an issue with her um, not being African-American but also in her book in her book y'all. My son is right here and it's I I can't do it. I cannot do it in her book. I want to speak to when you say she's arrogant, so I read her book and I have you know a digital version as well and every time she mentions African-Americans in her book, she prefers to be an enslaved because she talks about how you know growing up. If it was a problem, because you know she is a black girl like she gave an example how three black girls in her class got in trouble and their parents had to come to the school and her mom was the only mom that stuck up for her And the other African-American parents went with the white teachers like they reprimanded their kids, but her mother stood up for her and she gave the reasoning that black people after being enslaved, you know Generations later. You know it's a mindset. She gave a couple examples like that. In her book and in her book it seemed that seemed as if every time she mentioned African-Americans she mentioned slavery and there was no like empowerment. You know what I mean like. There was no um positive comments about African Americans, so I see both sides when people say that she's arrogant, I don't think it's intentional, but I did notice in her book no positive comments about African-Americans got it just to be honest, I don't want to you know Hate on Wendy, because I actually like her on the show, but that's just the way her book read oh wow now I want to read it right, like a fine-tooth comb like um, so because, when you read it with the digital copy, oh I'm sorry for anybody Watching a little delay if it seems like each other is because I have a little delay, but when you read it with a digital copy, you can just search um words like you could search African-American and see the context around that and when you do that, you See the context um, never positive, great man, I just say this quickly: growing up West Indian. You know how they say that there's like a snobbiness like West Indians and like Africans like versus African-Americans, like they look down, we look down our nose on black Americans. In my family, I we didn't do that, like I never heard any like, I just always looked at it as a little kid like I was black, we're all black. That'S how I looked at it. I never thought anything of it. So I think it's just so. Weird, when I hear like you know other West Indians looking down on black Americans, I'm like we're all black we're all in America, like you know like, I sometimes feel like. I'M like, I guess, black American, I I don't know I. I never separated myself like that. Where it's like, oh no, like my family's from Antigua and Trinidad, like I'm like we're black, I was born here and my parents were born here like we're black. I don't we didn't think like that. So I think it's just so bizarre when I do hear these discussions about this and it's like. Oh, like I, I I never thought like that. Yeah, it's not just in the black community, though one of my best friends is Asian, and I asked him to come on to talk about colorism in his community and he said absolutely not um, but you're, not getting me just owned. Absolutely. He did share with me, though, there's things that he does like he runs in the park and his mother will tell him. Why do you do that? And if you have to do that, do it at you know, don't do it in the sunlight, because you're becoming too dark and in his community he's Chinese in his community. Dark skin represents workers. So you are considered affluent. If you have fair skin - and I was like that's - you know very interesting another one of my best friends is Hispanic and he says he doesn't see the colorism thing, but there is a stark contrast between people who get work in their version of Hollywood um, the Ones with fair skinned or you know have like the blue eyes or the natural blonde hair are elevated in his community. So we had like a long talk because I was like colorism stems from slavery. If you were lighter complected, you were not going to be working. The fields and that might have something to do with NASA and what Master did with your mom, but the other parts of that is, you are more palatable or back in those days, you were more palatable to Caucasian people if your skin was closer to their skin Tone, if you could pass for white so yeah I mean it's so me it there's so many different layers. I love to do deep. Dives, did you know that for Caucasian people in the 20s, 30s 40s 50s dark skin for them meant affluence, because it meant that you could travel and tan and go to the beach and vacation yeah? So that was a switch, because what you said in the beginning was very true. So, like colonial times, if you were lighter, that meant that you were not outside working, so you were so wealthy. You didn't have to do anything and you could protect yourself from the sunlight and also if you were heavyset, because that meant that you had enough money to not only feed yourself in your family. But you can also over indulge. So if you were fair and heavy set, that just meant that you have a certain set a period that meant that you had a certain status and that you were wealthy. But it changed like you said in the 50s and 60s, because that, because when why do people will go away, they would come back and they would have dark skin. That'S where all that tanning stuff started. They was not it's hand back in the day like that, but when it you know, when you come back to work your little corporate job, you got ta tan. Where were you? I was off the island of Capri and that meant you know. I got a little coin, so I could travel now. So that's when everybody all of a sudden, that's when all of a sudden the light people wanted to be dark, because that meant I got a little conversation for you. I was using my money. You know to go somewhere where I could afford to go, but unless you're black, then you're told don't vacation stay in the house, that was a very generous of you. Irene says you in the panel caused me to donate because you're spot on. Thank you. So much Irene can I also touch on um the windy thing, because I I will say that threw me. I'M hurt, I'm hurt that threw me I'm not saying, but I can understand, but I have a similar experience and I talked about this before um. One of my really good friends is South African and when we first met, we uh met at h m. We did not get along because I felt that she was mad, arrogant, like she just had a way that she talked to not just like everybody. She just had a way - and I was like: oh that's - not gon na work here - you're not gon na talk to me like that, but she talked to everybody like that, and I remember we were having like a conversation because we had to like close. We closed uh one day, one holiday um. If we closed and we just were having a conversation and the more we talked the more I understood her a bit better. So I think for both sides, for the African Americans and for um black people who are not American and but who do live here first generation, and all of that I think the issue is that Americans, not all but a black Americans are entitled right and then I think uh black immigrants or first generation um black people have a type of arrogance. It'S not everybody, but I do. I do see both sides and when I was talking to my friend I realized that, although, as a black American, there are entitlements that we have to others, we are we, we walk and live our lives a certain way because we live under white supremacy. So we know what we can do and how far we can take certain things, but if that is not something you grow up under you act a certain way. You hold yourself a certain way. You act like you, free real talk right, so she was acting certain way and I remember she was getting into one of our customers a Karen and I was just like. Let It Go and she was like no, I'm not letting it go, but I'm telling her to let it go because I know what could happen if she didn't let it go, but that just was not her experience and it wasn't until we had a conversation, and I could see where she was coming from that I got a totally different perspective, so I honestly see both sides, but I feel like everybody's talking about what the other has done to the other, but nobody's having the overall conversation of why. I have that Viewpoint and I think it's so simple. It'S about all the diaspora Wars. If we just talk, if we just talk, it could be conversation, but I can I can. I can see both I can see where Wendy was coming from with that and why she would think that way. But then, as an African-American, I could be like well we do that because it's a lot of our culture is survival, and you just don't have that experience, but you come here and you're able to live a certain life because of our sacrifice. So that is another place where the entitlement comes from, but I think it's. I think it could be such a quick conversation, but I don't know: what's gon na happen together, awesome um. This is because Brooke is on this panel. I had to pull out the Casa del Sol yeah because she is one of my favorite Housewives, but when people say that colorism doesn't exist, she's the first person that comes to mind and it's Kenya, not for the reasons you think she's beautiful, yada yada, specifically about Her hair so for people who need examples of what colorism is think about the fact that Kenya has had her hair rooted on The Wendy Williams Show rooted means people have checked to see that it's a win. They have denied that her hair is actually growing out of her scalp. That is because this is a dark-skinned black woman. Holly Berry when she grows her hair out is never asked. The question is your hair. Real um giselle's hair is not real, but people don't ask her those questions. Nobody asked Robin if she's wearing a wig, so there could be simple things. They don't all have to be very direct and, in your face to know that colorism exists and if you need to look anywhere look at Kenya every time someone makes a huge deal out of her hair they're doing that, because she is a dark-skinned black woman and The thought is that dark-skinned, black woman's hair can't be long or should be a certain texture, or it should be a certain texture. Anybody have anything on that Layla. Do you want to start uh? No, I agree with that. I agree with that. People associate dark skin with a certain hair texture like a kinky or Texture. Oh, I have an echo um and they associate lighter skin um with like a looser hair texture. I definitely agree with that. I got to work on my technology. My computer was giving feedback. I had to close something work on your technology. Layla Lynn is like about to be at a million subscribers yeah, let's not even play listen, I hope so. Thank you while we're at it. The Brooke Ashley has blown up yes he's hanging out with Andy Cohen, y'all and Nikki's star is the actress extraordinaire yeah yeah. You will probably be seeing this lady on your TV screens any day now, um so Trent says. Thank you. So much Giselle Robin Candice were the only ones rocking with Wendy when she promoted her degrees. It was again Karen Hayden yeah Ashley too. She called the woman ferocious when she uh we'll get into that a little bit later. Um. Oh Lord y'all. We thank you. So much but donation for Mia's feet, we got ta, highlight the super cats and they making big donations rich man uh. Thank you so much. We can't let them see us acting like this, not in front of company y'all. I get in so much trouble, I'm getting so much trouble for that. Her husband called her Rob and she used to do um. She used to flip houses. So that's where I got it from it. I'Ve always said Robin is a beautiful woman, aesthetically she's, a very beautiful woman. I'Ve never denied that, but I get in so much trouble for Rob the Builder. So I try to share the wealth with all y'all someone said Giselle getting away with those wigs is peak. Colorism - and I just want to say, can you please just say hey because I am screaming, I caught your comment and I can't stop screaming. I was in tear powers, hilarious, I'm going to fix your hair. Let me help you. Charice was looking at Gisele like nah. You can't help me you can help me with nothing. You can help me with these crabs, but that's about it. Oh okay! Thank you so much for. I think I lost track guys if um I miss the Super Chat mod. Please let me know I'd appreciate it. I want to you know, thank everybody. Wow. These comments are moving really fast. I probably should have slowed it down. Y'All a lot of people. I mean uh Andrew good boy, nobody's sending Robin oh nobody's, sending Robin unalive threats, but Michael you know what? Okay? Let'S talk about it is it for that he would suck. His D comment is that why is that the problem, because Robin didn't really seem like she cared because it happened? Gabor'S hilarious! Thank you. Okay, let's be honest, Robin grew up, never feeling pretty. Oh wow. Let'S be honest: Robin grew up, never feeling pretty or girly her skin tone. She she's and racial ambiguity. Ambiguity didn't do it. Giselle makes her feel like she's one of the chosen ones so now she's a disa disciple of Giselle foreign. I just died the fact that we're supposed to be seeing women behind the Gates, affluent women, women who are aspirational and they can't even afford a solo hotel room at Andy's baby shower right and they shared a bed. But every time Bravo's cutting the check, they need to have a nice room, but when it's for them they split the bill. I mean: Hey, listen, Beverly, Hills, the Four Seasons on Wilshire. You know they won't do it. The Waldorf Astoria, the Beverly Hills Hotel. They probably said: oh my gosh 1300 a night. You want to go half Seas on this, we'll get a king-sized bed we're gon na stay in like the lower floors, hey yeah, you are so nice see. I told you guys she's the fabulosity. They stayed at the La Quinta and they still share the business and that had the nerve. Is that a joke that her the nerve to be 379.? Oh, I was like wait a minute, let's wake it up, but it wasn't the same Regis or any of the places she mentioned. I well. I hope they would be at a five-star hotel for Andy's baby shower if they had to share a room come on yeah. They got ta hook up with Marriott Rewards. Okay, uh a few black housewives says Jay-Z's child support, oh wow, y'all, are really going in his child. Support is drying up. She needs a new victim to bully the Eddie, cheating rumor didn't take, and neither did the Chris rumor. At least Robin has a roommate. What does Giselle have sound? Okay, just Layla has left the building. Oh Giselle has her luggage, that's what Wendy said, and they are still hot about that. I'M like I'm, like oh, bring your luggage and now you're trying to take her down. Like that's crazy to me, crazy to me. Thank you so much cute black housewife, um, I'm gon. Na, be honest. I think a lot of heat windy received from the black communities because she is Nigerian and dark-skinned milk. I agree. I agree they tried to play her like she was insecure and nothing I mean. Even with somebody videotaping her somebody trying to assault her throwing a drink on her all those things she held her own, I don't I don't get insecure from her at all. You know what it is. I think you know why people are saying that, because um Wendy has made it clear that she does want to be friends with the green eyed Bandits because think about it. The end of this last episode when she was hugging up on Robin talk about Robin. I just love you so much Robin. I love you. I love you. That gives very much pick me Behavior, because to bang, for someone's friendship is already bad enough, but to beg for somebody who doesn't like you, that's that does scream insecure. I think that I think that's why the fans call her insecure, if I'm being honest and I would be lying if I said that I haven't side-eyed Wendy too, like Wendy, you have to stop being so desperate for their friendship, because desperation and insecurity do go hand In hand, I think, to be honest with you, I think that Candace and Wendy both know that if the other girls finally refused to film with them they're going to get kicked off this show. So I think that Wendy is trying to play chess. The problem is per Karen, Robin is so far up giselle's Bush that there is no, you know, pathway out. So, even though they had that moment where they embraced - and I love you and I'm so sorry, Robin is never going to fully come out of the Bush. She'S going to stay in there she's gon na peek out, but then she's gon na report that back to Giselle yeah, because she needs that check too. Oh Brittany, beautiful black, just said I agree with you. Yep Brittany, yeah Candace does do that. She especially does that with Ashley and I've told her time and time again Candace. If you try to make Amanda Ashley one more time you and I are going to have an issue. She should have never let Ashley into her house, you don't let an enemy in your house ever. Are you serious if you have, if you feel so compelled to meet up with her, then you call her up. Take a walk in the park meet at a restaurant or a bar, but not your home and Ashley saw her beautiful home and got jealous and that's what she pulled that stunt on her eyes. I think a lot of the women all this on this show who are so weird who are not married, um or who are in um Financial blessing marriages, had an issue with Candace and Wendy, because their marriages were organic. Right, like you, can tell that these women are in the marriage because they love who they're with right. It'S not like. Oh he set me up. Oh he gave me a better life. Oh, he pulled me out the trenches it's. I met him at work and I liked him. I met him at school and I liked him. It'S like it's the real deal and I think of those women who had to attain their wealth by means that they're probably embarrassed about - and you know, will now look down on a woman who's doing the same thing. I think that they cannot stand them. For that reason - and it to you know, add a little cherry on top - it's undesirable, so we're getting it right, it's the undesirables who are living this life that should be given that should have just been handed to them. I think that's exactly where it comes from. That'S why they try to go hard to break up their happy home, because if, if you can break up a happy home, that means yours ain't, so you got all the Time in the World to do that. I I'm cracked up every time you say undesirable, because I read the I read somebody so bad one day I was like, don't be mad at me because you're undesirable this, I'm not a big fan of Wendy, but it's more so how she came on season. Five. Yes, I know she knew Candice, but I don't like the way she treated Monique. She didn't really interact with Monique. I don't I felt season five. It was the fight where she kind of said. You know it's unacceptable when Monique was like, it wasn't acceptable all right. So, let's not even bring up season five with anybody in the comments, because I think they've been nice. So far I haven't seen all the comments. I think Wendy used her education as a slap in the face to put herself as a pedestal. Meanwhile, she was upset with her profession, her body and only did things for her parents. She is human. Like us, hmm, I agree, but I don't think she used her education as a slap in the face production to us that like when you go, you audition, that's how you have to talk right because you they want. You want to come back, so you have to let them know that this is how you're going to introduce me perfect example of um. What is her name Shira from Real House Heather from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. She came in she introduced herself. She was just like I'm an ex I'm a bad Mormon and I love black men like that's what got her in the room, her, basically letting them know. I live in a Mormon town, but I'm not a Mormon. Everybody has disowned me and guess what I got. A thing for black men, of course you want to bring her back to the audition, because you want to give her a call back, because, if you're starting off like this, what else are you going to bring so Dr Wendy walked in and said: hey, I'm Nigerian. I'M also a doctor. I have something that you don't have on this show House a loving marriage for her introduction season, like that's how everybody comes in, they hit you over the head with what production tells them to to introduce the audience to us like she's, not doing that. No more!